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    Have to be optimistic, he was our starting CB at the beginning of last year.
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    If he's healthy, he should be a lot better than Molden or Edelman playing corner, which makes it easier for us to play McCourty at safety in certain packages. You can argue he won't turn the secondary from bad to great, but to say he won't make a difference seems a bit silly.
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    A healthy (and I'm not assuming that, it's going to be a question until he stays healthy for a while) Dowling is a huge big deal. Dowling and McCourtey outside, Arrington in the slot and Chung at one Safety leaves a second starting Safety the only need other than depth.
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    Watch how we are going to here that he tripped over a grasshopper and will miss the rest of the year. This is one update i didn't want to hear about Glass-I Dowling.:rolleyes:
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    I don't expect him to be the difference but I can't wait to see what kind of production they get from I-Dowling, Solder, Vereen, Ridley, and Cannon next season. Great draft imo.
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    Not only that but he was lined up over Marshall for the most parts. Marshall is the type of receiver who usually gets his way with most DB's with his power and speed, but he couldn't get his way with Dowling.
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    Dowling staying healthy will be the big trick here......

    If he can perform at a decent level, not even a high level, it will be an upgrade at the position. Also need McCourty to have gotten out of his sophomore slump. Grab a S in FA or the draft and the defense should be alot better.:rocker:
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    Can someone please post information about Ras-I Dowling's actual injury history in college. I keep hearing, and reading on this forum, how he's "been injured since high school." I have a very difficult time believing that BB would use the first pick in the second round in last year's draft on a guy that has been injured so often, but if it's true it won't be the first time I've been very surprised at a BB draft move. Sorry I haven't done this for myself at this point, but if someone out there has some facts, I'm interested to see them (as I imagine are others on this forum). Thanks in advance.
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    season-by-season breakdown:

    Ras-I Dowling, Virginia, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

    He was hurt his senior year in college, and not much before that

    played 12 of 13 games as a freshman,
    11 of 12 games as a sophomore,
    12 of 12 games as a junior (I think- the article doesn't say),
    and
    5 of 12 games as a senior
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    This link confirms that he played in 35 of 37 games during his first 3 years in college, and the first game missed as a freshman was not due to injury, just sat, being a freshman.

    Ras-I Dowling Biography - University of Virginia Cavaliers Official Athletic Site - VirginiaSports.com

    Bedard's column describes the issues:

    Analysis of 2nd round pick, CB Ras-I Dowling - Extra Points - Boston.com

    everything wrong as a senior
    healthy as a junior
    hamstring and back issue as a sophomore, though he only missed one game
    healthy as a freshman

    Bedard claims he had a broken hand and a knee injury in high school. Google searches reveal he missed 5 games with the hand as a junior. Don't see anything on the knee injury was, but is corroborated here:

    http://www.thesabre.com/php-bin/news/printerFriendly.php?id=1644
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    So, he was injured once as a senior and once his rookie year and now hes made of glass? I thought this was a great pick, we'll see this year if it was.
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    It only takes one injury to linger for the rest of your life.

    That said, I'm rooting for the guy. We'll need him to step up next year or else it's going to be another long season for the pass defense.
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    Would be nice to see him on the field.
    THe nickname Ras IR Dowling is starting to stick.


    In fairness to McCourty he played second half of the season with a duff shoulder.
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    I'm glad to hear that they went in and cleaned out his hip...those things can be tricky. I'm actually surprised surgery wasn't first option, since recurring hip injuries rarely heal on their own. But assuming they cleaned it out like they were supposed to, i can't wait to see what this guy can do when healthy. 6'1" 200 at CB who started as a rookie before injury? I've got a mental erection! :singing:
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    I sure hope he stays healthy because I think if he can stay healthy, the sky's the limit for him.
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    .............:nooo:
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    From the few glimpses we had it looked like he is a player.

    Hoping we get some goddamn consistency in the secondary this year.
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    The college injury was exactly why he was available where the Pats picked him, anyways.

    6'1, 200 pound, physical cornerbacks with speed and acceleration don't typically fall to the second round. You pretty much get them due to health, character concerns, or rawness. Of the three, I think Belichick's made it pretty clearly that he thinks health concerns are the best risk to take (Wheatley, Gronk, Dowling, Tate, Cannon).

    In general, I wish people here would take a more complete view of the philosophies that they're criticizing. I've seen a lot of people rip on the Tate, Wheatley, and Dowling picks, in particular, on the premise that it's foolish to spend high picks on guys with college injury histories. I wonder if these people realize that what they're saying is that the Pats should not have picked Gronkowski. Imagine if he'd suffered another back injury at any point in the past two years? Belichick (and this board) never would have heard the end of it.

    Personally, I think I agree with Belichick's view on players come off of one major injury (guys like Gronk, Tate, Wheatley, Dowling). Basically, you have a bunch of GMs out there who are terrified of looking stupid, and probably the easiest way to look dumb is to pick a player who already has the injury that will derail his career. Skittish decisionmakers devalue these players more than they should, especially in the modern era where sports medicine has made it possible to get more players back to 100% than you could in the past. It's high-risk, high-reward, but harping on individual picks makes no sense. You either like the philosophy or you don't, and I do like it. I'm not going to criticize drafting Dowling, because it would be inconsistent of me to do that while loving the Gronk pick.
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    We saw what a boost to the defense the return of Pat Chung and Spikes made. Think about the boost Dowling will make. Think about the boost having your best interior pass rusher Myron Pryor back will make. Think about the boost having Josh Barrett or whoever the Pats get in FA/draft to help the Safety position. Those are a LOT of boosts to a very young defense.

    Think about how all those boosts could easily translate into the Pats defense from going from very bad to just merely average. If the Pats could have averaged just 2 points per game less last regular season, they would have been in the top 6 in scoring defense. I know the additions of Pryor, Dowling, and Barrett would have made that difference. How do I know?

    I know because just by adding Spikes and Chung the Pats defense allowed just 17 points per game in the playoffs, which was 3rd best just behind the Giants and Houston. BTW they were 5th best in total defense as well

    Now think about getting all those players back PLUS the bounty of 5 picks in the first 100, and the fruits of being well over $200MM under the cap. Think we might JUST be able to shave 2-3 points per game. Which, by the way would give our offense another 2-3 possessions a game to score even MORE points. ;)
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    All indications are that this is a talented player at a position we were very weak last year. He was one of the biggest if not the biggest injury losses the team had.
    A healthy Dowling could change the dynamics of the secondary.
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    No expectations is the best expectation for Ras-IR Dowling. Unfortunately, when I think of him, I think of who the back up is when, not if, he goes down.
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    Ken, I hope you cleaned yourself up after you posted that.

    Debbie Downer here reminds you that every year, some of our fine starters go on IR. And it seems also that every single year, one of our new top draft picks is MIA for injury reasons. There's no reason to believe 2012 will not be different. Given that, there will be new but different hole(s) in the 2012 D.
    / downer

    I too am optimistic for defensive improvement in 12
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    Did you really find that thought worthy of a post?
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    I just won't post then...
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    If we're that much under the cap, I suggest going after Manning for backup QB, get Mario Williams, trade for Megatron, and sign away Mike Wallace, trade for Arian Foster and Ed Reeds.
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    Just keep on posting....

    Not everyone can be as insightful as a few here :D
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    heh..I noticed that little typo but figured he was might have been just emphasizing what good shape the Pats are in capwise :cool:
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