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Don Banks: Scott Pioli might be gone next year, if Pats win SB

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  1. true_patriot

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    "I think if the steamrolling Patriots go on to win their fourth Super Bowl title in seven seasons, New England's vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli will finally get an offer to be another team's general manager that he can't turn down. Teams have come knocking on Pioli's door before, but he took a pass in order to stay with the Patriots, the NFL's team of the decade. But with another notch on his belt -- and another ring on his finger -- the time will be right for Pioli to cash in on the success he has been a big part of in New England.

    Who would the potential suitors be? It's early, but logic tells you that Miami would love to steal his expertise away from its AFC East rivals. Cleveland, where Pioli started in the NFL while Bill Belichick coached the Browns, is another team that has had him on its radar screen. The Brownies are finally competitive this season, but if things should head south for them this year, general manager Phil Savage could quickly be back on the endangered list.

    Other potential landing spots would be Detroit, where GM Matt Millen has lived on borrowed time for years now; Minnesota, which might come at Pioli with owner Zygi Wilf's deep pockets; Kansas City, if Carl Peterson's long reign is finally deposed; or Tampa Bay, if the Bruce Allen-Jon Gruden tandem fails to deliver a playoff berth this season, as seems necessary for future employment.

    Pioli could always cross us up and again stay put. But if the Pats bag themselves a fourth Lombardi, Pioli's already glitzy resume would likely never look better."

    That might come true, but I sure as hell hope he stays put until 2013. (Thanks ctpatsfan77)
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    More wishful thinking from the MSM. :rolleyes:
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    (1) Belichick's under contract through 2013.
    (2) I suspect Pioli knows that there really ain't a whole lot of places where the grass will be greener than it is here.
    (3) To paraphrase Belichick, there's a certain challenge in maintaining greatness, not just creating it. Why start over now when he can be acknowledged as a key factor in maintaining the juggernaut of the salary cap era?
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    You have a link for this?

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    I do not think that Bob Kraft would let him go. He can top any offer. Plus the fact that Belichek and Pioli are very close friends. How much better can life be?
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    Pioli's had plenty of offers before and has turned them all down. I'm sure he gets paid a boatload of cash to stay, and he's not far from his family (he grew up near West Point) and has been with Belichick his whole career. Plus, with the team doing so well, his job security is unquestioned and its not like he's really getting a promotion, just a more important sounding title.

    I doubt he moves to another team.
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    Mediots were speculating about Pioli leaving for greener pastures and to get out of BB's shadow. Then Pioli signed an extension. So for the next year their favorite pas time became speculating on BB leaving at years end. BB extension gets "announced" so what do the mediots do? They go back to the original one. Anyone see a pattern here.
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    I think Pioli knows that he has magic here that may never be able to be reproduced. Even if he can handpick his head coach at another team, there is no guarantee that that coach would be so on the same page as he and Belichick are. He might be able to get a big contract for big dollars, but he can keep this job for the next decade or longer. There is no guarantees that he can get it elsewhere.

    Besides, we don't know what Kraft pays Pioli or what he is willing to pay to keep him. The Pats are definitely one of the "haves" in the league. Kraft can afford to pay him as much or more than most other teams if he chooses to do so.
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    I understand that this author thinks that this might be the case. But really, show me the logic that says "Though Pioli hasn't left after 3 SBs he will after the fourth."

    As far as I know, there is none.
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    Banks is right that many teams will throw huge wads of money at him, and that he will have 4 rings, and may feel a desire to go run his own show. It really depends on whether he's fundamentally happy and satisfied here, or whether he feels he needs/wants to run his own show, or that he doesn't get enough credit because he's in BB's shadow.

    Ultimately, only Pioli can make that decision.

    If he does leave, then we should thank him for all his years of hard work and excellent effort. But I hope nad pray he doesn't end up in the AFC East at least. The NFC would be far better...
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    He says "finally get an offer he can't resist" then suggests the likes of Detroit and Minnesota? What on Earth is so irresistible about that?

    Certainly, Pioli would top the wishlist of any team looking for a GM. Nothing new there. We're talking about a guy who was named Executive of the Year back in 2003 and 2004! He's always been the #1 candidate, he's just said no thanks. Banks doesn't give one iota of explanation of why this year should be different.

    Sure Pioli might go. But past history says he's happy where he is, the irresistible allure of Zygi Wulf notwithstanding.
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    Well, of course he would! After all, BB will be going to the Giants.

    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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    #12 Jersey

    Pioli, was wooed by the Giants, and if he is not going to the Giants, he is not going to anyone, or anywhere
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    Here's a thought that I have not seen mentioned anywhere else. Assuming that he is well compensated and money is not an issue.....if the Patriots can continue their success for many years to come with him as one of the architects, does he stand a chance of getting into the Pro Football Hall of Fame as an executive???
    That may be something that could keep him in NE..........
    As one of the posters noted, there's no guarantee that he'd be able to duplicate the success elsewhere....
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    Yet another unfounded rumor. Who cares about idle speculation like this.
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    In order to get into the HOF as an executive, you really have to have done something spectacular for the game of football. Pioli's a hell of a GM, but he hasn't saved the game or anything like that.
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    Job secuirty is a very good point. Say he does persue some crappy team. Now we all know he's an excelent GM, but suppose he and the HC don't see eye to eye, and he loses his job after a few years. where does he go then?

    I think that would weigh on him pretty heavy in any decision to leave.
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    MOSS IS ON THE BUBBLE'd
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    why would he leave at 4,i think 6 has a better ring to it, no ones done that
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    There always will be speculation...but I agree where will he have a BETTER chance of showing greatness?? the combination here is super..why break up a good thing?? Sure there are wads of money...but there are things deeper than that...
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    Pioli discussed all of this last March....he'll be around here for a long time.

    Do you think anyone in the world can bring a better offer than MICROSOFT?? He already turned those cats down...a year or so ago.
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    Seattle offered Pioli a LOT of money.

    As the past has proven, it isn't just about the cash, although I'm sure that Pioli has a job or two that he has his eye on.
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    As others have said, it's all guesswork and speculation - but I'm not too concerned about the what if's that start with IF WE WIN THE SUPERBOWL; give me another win and I'll give a little :)
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    Bunkam, Banks.

    Pure bunkham.
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    I think the Chargers prove that you can have alot of talent, but if your coaching sucks, then your team is going to suck.

    Pioli could easily get full GM control of another team, but without the scouting/coaching in place, he won't end up producing a super bowl contender.

    Pioli, among avid patriots fans, is greatly appreciated. Pioli, among casual fans, is unknown. And I could see how that can potentially irk a person & make them want to go elsewhere.

    The problem is that, like BB, other top coaches have full or partial GM control. So, I don't think Pioli is going to find a situation where he's got a top coaching staff, and is able to receive full GM control.

    I hope he stays, because I think BB/Pioli make a great team. I won't fault him for leaving. I just don't think the sun is shining brightly on his destination city. And hopefully for him, to receive partial credit for building one of the great dynasties is more appealing than receiving full credit for building an average franchise.
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    In a way, I don't like even bothering with stuff like this, because it's always coming around. But there's an aspect to it that bugs me too much to ignore.

    What all these guys can't seem to grasp is that BB and Pioli are both smart and saavy enough to realize they've already reached the promised land--they are well compensated (Kraft's gonna pay them whatever it takes) and they are in an IDEAL situation--with the organization, the coach, the qb, the STADIUM, everything. They are building a legacy of excellence, of historic greatness. No matter WHAT line of work you're in, this is EXACTLY what you hope to reach--that perfect storm of elements that allows you to do your job with maximum money, and maximum satisfaction.

    Scott P would leave for what, exactly? Not the money. For the "glory" of being called a GM?? Yeah, that's a real heady title. There's only hundreds of them in professional sports.

    Sorry, media: their "dream" job is not to go to the Giants, or any other place. They found it. The drama of the Patriots is not to be found in its leaders jumping ship. The drama comes from a group of men making history. In 50 years, this team will be part of the discussion. THAT is priceless.
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    True, but would winning say, six Super Bowls be spectacular enough????
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    Well, no GM has done it.

    But the Pats' strength caveman, er, coach, Mike Woicik, has six rings--three with the Cowboys, three with the Pats.
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