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  1. PATRIOTSFANINPA

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    No,Actually every year there are surprise teams and the Raiders are one of mine to surprise this year,I expect the Raiders to finally have some offense to go along with a pretty good defense and win some games this year and actually push the Chargers with some competition in the division.

    The Raiders arguably could very well have the best tandem of RBs in the NFL this year,The problem lies of whether the team is smart enough to start Garcia who knows how to win or take their chances with their former first round pick.

    This years Raiders are last years Falcons and I expect 10-6 from them and a wild card.
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    I haven't seen the Colts ranked this low in years by anybody.
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    The Colts should be on the verge of missing the playoffs this season - Jax,Tennessee and Houston have caught up to Indy as many have said.

    Indy will go 9-7 this season is my guess
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    It's unsettling to see the Pats at the top of so many lists already.
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    Na, it's pretty much normal anymore, now the fun comes in seeing how they make it work.
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    It was worse in 2007 - Actually it was far worse when it came to rankings and that didn't stop the team from proving everybody right (except the damn SB that is :mad:)

    It was like Secretariat against 31 three-legged dogs in the race to the title according to most media driven articles in the offseason of 2007
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    This sounds like wishful thinking. This is a QB dominated league and you're talking about P. Manning v. Mssrs. Collins, Garrard, and Schaub. My money's on the colts.
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    I suppose. Dungy just didn't strike me as that good of a coach to have the Colts drop that far without him. Dungy reminds me of what Herm Edwards would be like if he starred in Brokeback Mountain.
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    Haha, yeah, true.
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    Not only is Dungy gone but his coaching staff on the offense is now on more like advisors and won't be there for Peyton on the sidelines,If the Colts win the SB this season without some top coaches nearby gone then Peyton truly deserves it.

    But I think this is the season Peyton gets his ass whooped and that OL is going to show some big holes,Mario Williams is going to have Peyton for Breakfast...twice
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    What's up with that Jacksonville rating?

    That seems rather low.
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    Power rankings should only go up to 10 or 14 with a bunch of ties. Assigning a number becomes pointless after about #4
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    Indy has a thin layer of great highly paid players and a lot of much lesser players. A lot of their big players are aging. They don't have a lot of depth, and their Division is getting better. I do not know if this is the year they go down, but I have a pretty large bet that the Colts will have two .500 or worse seasons in the next 4, and I'm not worried about it.
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    It's about time someone puts the Pats at #1...we look to be the most sound team RIGHT NOW...
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    That is wishful thinking. First the assistant coaches will be back, their titles have changed because of the NFL retirement and pension rules, but they are back. Caldwell has been with the team for years, and Polian has faith in him. That's good enough for me.

    Also, the Colts are returning 21 of 22 starters, with only Marvin Harrison being gone. Their O line is healthy, Manning is healthy, Ed Johnson is back and they drafted Brown and Moala.

    The Colts are a young, talented team. You think they're going to fall? If they didn't last year, when they had injuries out the wazoo, what makes you think it's going to happen this year? Manning is still there.

    The Titans aren't going to win 13 games again. The Jags are a .500 club at best and every year the Texans, who have never won a game that mattered in their history, are going to be better than the Colts. The Texans are a trendy pick and I get that, but they aren't better than the Colts. Before the Texans it was the Jags. Remember that? From 2005 to last year, every year the Jags were going to overtake the Colts. Didn't happen. The Titans had a great year last year but the Colts aren't going into the season with a hurt QB and two rookie starters on the O line this year.

    Power rankings are useless, I've seen the Colts ranked anywhere from 3rd to 10th so far this season. But anyone who thinks the Colts are done hasn't been paying attention to what Peyton Manning does and has done now for years. As long as he's back there and he's surrounded by even medium talent the Colts are a 10-12 win team. And they have much more talent than that this year.
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    i think your colts will be fine this year, but i think over the years being without Dungy will takes its toll. he was always very good about sustaining a team's talent over the years. Polian's good too, but i think they'll really miss Dungy's input. he always had an eye on the future. I think the new guy will be more short-sighted.
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    Losing Dungy is a big question mark, but I've noticed around here that for years Pats fans were saying the Colts would go nowhere until "One-And-Dungy" left. Or that Dungy was the "most overrated coach ever", "an average coach with a great team", etc etc etc.

    Now that he leaves suddenly Dungy was holding the Colts together around here and they're going to fall apart without him. It's Colt hate and I get it, but every team changes coaches at some point.

    Like I said, Dungy leaving is a question mark, but the Colts knew this would happen and groomed Caldwell as his replacement. Caldwell knows the team and he knows the players.

    Anyway, the point is anyone writing off the Colts are going to be in for a rude awakening. The D line is much improved and the O line is healthy which were their biggest problems last year. Brown and Addai are a damn good RB tandem and the receiving corp looks strong. Gonzo will have a big year and there is a fight for the 3rd spot. But Wayne, Gonzo and Clarke are a great threesome.

    Seriously, the Colts are looking as good as they have in years talent wise. Dungy leaving is the only negative, and nobody knows how that's going to play out. Personally I don't think Manning is going to be affected and as long as he's playing at a top level the Colts are going to be a contender.
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    as for the flip-flopping on Dungy's impact on the team, of course that was just typical fan behavior towards a rival and their coach (he was the self-annointed moral arbiter of the universe afterall). the talent is definitely there. I think their decline will be rooted more in an increased focus on the short-term (drafting and such) and the culture. Dungy created an environment where players wanted to and did work very hard, and they wanted to play for Indy. For example, Detroit has a sh*tty culture while the Eagles it's strong.

    There will be a lag for this to take effect (if ever, maybe this guy turns out to be a great coach), but I suspect a strong year out of the Colts nevertheless. As for the increased talent on the team, i think most would say that every team (and fans) feels that way this time of year.
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    BCF, I wouldn't be surprised if the Colts are just as good without Dungy. There is still a lot of talent there and good ol' Payaton isn't about to let any work ethics slack off. As long as he's there the team will be competitive at the top of the league.
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    Yeah, most teams feel that way of course, but you and I know there's a difference between a team that's won 12 or more for many years with a HOF QB VS most teams. The Colts are a SB caliber team, won a SB a couple of years back with much of the same personel, and this year going in at least, as opposed to last year, they are healthy.

    As for what Dungy did for the team, I agree his impact was great. But don't forget Manning and Polian too. The Colts don't pick up free agents, so I don't know about players wanting to come here and how much that impacts the Colts. They build through the draft mostly. And Polian is the guy behind that. He's built winners everywhere he's gone. As long as he's here I'm not worried about the Colts having talent.

    And Dungy wasn't the "self appointed more voice" or whatever you said, lord. You guys need to let it go. The guy is a christian. People want to hear what he says. The guy by all accounts walks the walk.

    I don't see you Pats fans *****ing about Jim Brown, who has battered woman and done some very shady things over the years, every time he's in the news counseling some guy in jail, which he does constantly. There are thousands of people that go into prisons, or counsel troubled youth, etc. I don't see Pats fans *****ing about any of that though. It's just Dungy doing it that seems to bother Pats fans, which of course is just more hating. I get it, but it's silly. Dungy is a good guy doing what he believes is right. He gets a lot of attention because of his high profile.

    But hating on a guy because he counsels troubled teens? Or visits guys in jail? How bitter is that?
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    he toots his own horn when he does all this stuff. i call it brand advertising (maybe that's why I bought his book jk). the overly self-righteous don't always get nothin' but love
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    fukc the Colts...Enuff said
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    It's a hopeless battle to support Tony Dungy on this board. Between the general Colts hate, the blown out of proportion comments, the specific Colts hate, the disagreement with some of his Christian values and the inflamed rhetoric from a few posters, there's essentially no hope for a rational discussion of the man in this forum.
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    Seems like we say this every year. :rolleyes:
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    That's what I said, for the past few years it was the Jags. Now it's the never finished higher than 8-8 Texans who are going to do it.

    We'll see, and some day the Colts will fall, it happens to every team, but other than wishful thinking there is no reason to say the Colts are going to stumble this year. Like I said, the D line has been revamped, and the O line and QB are healthy. Those were the biggest problems last year, and they have all been addressed.

    I can't wait for the season to start.
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    QB's are overrated.

    /signed "A Vikings fan"
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