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    This game should be a test for the Dom Capers led secondary and so far, this season, it's been a great disappointment. Last year, we had holes in our zone coverage at times, but nowhere was it been as bad as this.
     
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    if so....then so far, not so good
     
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    The defense seems to be more agressive this year.

    I think we've been blitzing a bit more than usual. Sometimes it results in big losses.
     
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    so take out the fins game and how is the defense?
     
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    Blitzing doesn't seem to work. Pats defense is so geriatrically slow that it's pointless to blitz. How many sacks today? Zero, I believe.
     
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    They had one sack. But sacks are not the greatest barometer of success. They also pressured O'Sullivan countless times and forced him to scramble out of the pocket. Aside from the first two drives the D was fine.
     
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    Take out the Giants game last year and we are perfect.

    What's your point?
     
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    While some corrections seem to have been made in the 2nd half, at least two passes were dropped by SF wr's which should have been caught for big gains. I would give the credit for the 2nd 1/2 improvement to the pressure, not the coverage.
     
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    you don't know anything?:D
     
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    Uhhh that doesn't make much sense? The O-Line was good last year, even though they played bad in the superbowl. His point was the defense has played well aside from a total team collapse against Miami. Your analogy is flawed.
     
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    NO his point was to take one game out to try and make his point. All of the games count
     
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    All of the games do COUNT, but extreme performances can skew averages especially with smaller sample sizes. If the defense played 4 games and allowed 100, 100, 900, 100 yards, they would be allowing 300 yards a game, which sounds horribly. However in reality they were dominant in all but one game. Obviously that's a gross exaggeration but hopefully you get what I'm saying.

    The Miami game does count and the D did play poorly in that game, but the D playing good in 3 games and bad in 1 game would seem to indicate their is a better chance the D is actually good and not bad...
     
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    my point is there are usually stinkers/exceptions to the rule during the season that skew stats.

    do you really think brett favre is worth 6 tds like last week?
     
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    excellent point. like arizona. which team are they? this week or against the jets?
     
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    Favre might throw 6 Ints next week :D

    I get your point, but every play in every game counts.
     
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    The data point that you are looking for is the median. In many cases, the median is preferred over the average since it can (again, not always) provide a better visualization of the data.

    A box and whisker plot of defensive performances could also be a good visualization method, given you had a statistic that was sufficiently correlated with winning (say, defensive passer rating).

    What I'm saying is that it can be valid to say "this one data point (outlier) skews the average, which makes the average a bad view of the data". That point is usually undistinguishable from "We win except for these games that we lost", so I guess you have to take the original poster at their word.
     
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    I don't think the secondary has been that bad. JT O'Sullivan only passed for 130 yards today. He did have 3 TDs, but also three picks. The defense came out real soft today, but definitely tightened up and were stifling for most of the game. I will chock the early failure to rust from the bye week because many teams who come off a bye come out flat in the first quarter after the bye.

    Other than that, the Dolphins game was the only other game where I saw a real problem in the secondary. But that was a defense-wide failure.

    The secondary could certainly get better, but I don't see a huge downgrade from last year even with the loss of Samuel.
     
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