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Does Wes Welker play for the Patriots in 2013?
Well he did play in the two Playoff games at the beginning of this year , as for the new season beginning in sept i highly doubt that he will be with the Pats .
I hope he does, but I have this sinking feeling that the two sides won't come to an agreement. And I don't think the Pats franchise him at $11M.
I voted no. I love the guy, he was a warrior for the Pats, one of the all-time great Patriots. But the Pats are not going to pay him top 10 receiver money. Greatest slot receiver of all time, but they will use the money to get other receivers, and hopefully resign Edelman to pick up some of the slack. Love the guy, but I can't see a long term deal getting done, especially with Welker being 32.
I have the exact same felling as well.
I just think its a combination of age, him outplaying his age and outplaying what is reasonable to pay a WR when we invested so much in Gronk and Hernandez. I too agree the 11 mil is too steep but I also think the years he will want and has earned will be to steep too.
He can get more years at more $ elsewhere. Gone Baby, Gone.
Please make it not be Denver. Colts would be hard to take too.
I think welker stays even though his big payday might not happen this year. Come on would you rather play with tommy for a few million less and a greater chance for a ring than some other rival????
no...he will be gone...sucks but it is what it is. Some team will overpay for him and pats can get someone like harvin who is only 24
The problem with this line of thinking is that Welker is a UFA. He could theoretically go to a team that has just as good of a shot at winning the big one.
Ty Law,Deion Branch and Seymour were in their primes when they left...the front office does not care who you are,if you are a problem regarding cap space and refuse to adapt to it...you are gone.
No player in NE is worth sacrificing the near future and Welker despite being a star player is no exception,you accept the offer or see ya bye bye.
Welker could be added to that group by summer
I wish people would keep me informed. I thought the next Welker thread wasn't due until Tuesday, to be followed by the regular Friday thread.
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I actually think that there is some merit to this thought for sure. I honestly feel as though Welker would indeed stay here to continue playing with Brady for a bit of a hometown discount..yes.
The problem is the front office may not be able/willing to give him something "fair," which most of us agree would be in the ballpark of about 8 to 8.5 million per year with at least something in the mid-high teens in guaranteed money on a multi-year deal. I really think that Welker would take that to stay, as long as it's competitive with other somewhat respectable WR deals. I don't get the feeling that he needs to be one of the top few WRs paid in the game, but at the same time he also doesn't want to hear of how "he got taken" either.
I can guarantee that he obviously doesn't want to stay if they are going to insult him, much like last year. That's when they really dropped the ball. I always wonder what would have happened if they had just made it one more year on a 3/24 deal instead of a 2/16 deal, but we'll never know. If we did that would give us a much better clue as to what will happen.
The million dollar question and also my main concern is if they weren't willing to come up from 2/16 last year, why would they be willing to now suddenly do it this year, when Welker is yet another year older with more wear/tear and additional hits and miles? It's this reason why I am very leery as to getting a deal done.
Don't think we can tag welker, he can drag his feet, sit out... Would be good to get something for welker though if he is off
Ty Law left here in a wheel chair after missing half a season recovering from high ankle sprain surgery because he refused to restructure the last 2 years of his pre BB deal into a 4 year deal to avoid another $12M+ cap hit against an $82M cap. Although Bill did keep chasing him to re-up on that restructured deal to no avail for 2-3 seasons.
Branch left because they miscalculated his resolve and his market and by the time they realized it it was too late to backtrack.
Seymour had little to do with cap space. He simply hadn't lived up to his potential on or off the field since 2005 and he was becoming a negative leader in the locker room. Similar situation to his mentor, Milloy, only Richard wasn't even asked to restructure because they knew it was pointless.
Welker will be gone for the same reason Asante was. They simply do not want to pay market for the position (which as in Asante's case doesn't bode well for the secondary replacement either). And while tagged both failed to make a play, or in Asante's case a couple of plays, that seemingly would have resulted in a Championship. Both could have been signed to reasonably priced long term deals a year or two before being tagged. And who knows, maybe then they'd have been better able to focus. Welker in particular had earned one. But once that ship sailed it was essentially over.
The only time they paid market for an elite WR here it came back to bite them in the ass because they never got value for that contract and by the end of it the player was becoming problematic on and off the field. They've since made it back to a Superbowl once and back to an AFCC game twice absent both the elite deep threat and a pro bowl corner with identical results so I think they don't believe investing in those players yields the kind of results they are looking for.
I think they are continuing to grapple with what it is that does. They thought having two TE's who project as elite weapons particularly in the red zone and adding talent at RB would do the trick. Only the two TE's can't stay healthy let alone in tandem and their backups can't remotely replicate their production and the young RB's have been a work in progress with that progress taking longer than they anticipated. They seemingly upgraded outside the numbers but that didn't translate either. And to add insult to injury while honing the blade on his swiss army knife the tip broke off...
This team needs to add or upgrade talent, addition by subtraction is only going to make the future even more susceptible to random.
On defense they added to the pass rush and reconfigured the secondary but again injury mitigated most of what they believed they had accomplished.
Welcome to the NFL where in the end much of what is accomplished is seemingly random, the thing Belichick truly abhors.
Welker has nothing to do with paying Vollmer. Mankins and Solder and eventually paying whomever ascends to center over the next 4-5 seasons will be the issues there. And you probably weren't around then but we lost a Superbowl in which we had all pro deep threat and a pro bowl corner.
I hope Welker stays but I'm realistic that he probably won't. But, is there any chance he would give a "hometown discount" and take a slightly lower salary to stay in New England? If I was a football player, I wouldn't mind making a few less $$ if it meant a great chance at going back to the Super Bowl
I say yes! The Patriots can't let him walk. When the leader of the team, TFB says he is the heart of the team and is important to the team then you have to find a way to sign him. But Welker has to be smart here, he can't ask for what he wants, he needs to be in the ballpark of accepting $8 million per year for 2 years.
Can you imagine what the Pats would have looked like last season when they almost let him walk. Had Welker been gone, Edelman out hurt, Gronk and Hernandez trading time on the bench hurt the Pats would have been in serious trouble without Welker. Welker is the most dependable and productive player on offense, outside of Brady. You find a way to keep Welker and don't ask your franchise QB who is on the tail end of his career to break in someone new at that spot. You don't take away his go to guy.
I'm banking on the Patriots to be smart here, they are a few players away from winning it all, you don't let Welker walk, that like taking three steps backwards and they can't afford to take three steps backwards now. Pay the man, and fix some other positions instead.
If Welker leaves he will be a member of a team who's so close to winning it all, he will succeed with that team, in turn hurt the Patriots. I see him going to the Broncos or Packers. He would be huge with either team and help push them over the top. Be smart Patriots, keep Welker.
No, Wes Welker will be catching his 100 balls elsewhere next season.
Hopefully, the Patriots have a good plan to replace him. The plan they had to phase him out of the offense last season didn't exactly work. I'm not holding my breath we'll see Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings here and will not be surprised when Brandon Lloyd is shown the door either.
Maybe, that's for the best, We've become a little obsessed with big-name players around here. But, the Patriots don't need a Larry Fitzgerald or Calvin Johnson. Give me an off-season where the Patriots can sign, draft, or develop another Patten, Givens and Branch and this offense will be even better than it has been. Perhaps, that's what Brian Daboll was rehired to do.
If the question is what I think versus what I want to happen, then no, I don't think Welker plays for the Patriots in 2013.
I say yes. The patriots payed Welker almost 10 million for one year because they realized he was integral to the success of their offense, and since there are almost no realistic options for replacing his production they are going to have to find a way to construct a deal with him to stay or take a huge step backwards offensively for the foreseeable future. 4-32-20 guaranteed would probably get it done and i think Welker would be likely to take a cut rate deal like that if the guaranteed money was good enough.
If by some outside chance they do trade for Harvin then Welker is gone, but that is doubtful.
I don't think he does. Only way he does is if he goes to FA and comesback without an offer he thinks is worth it. Then he swallows his pride and signs here for 7.5M per.
wow, two thirds of you say No. Expected closer to 50/50, since I have no idea.
For several reasons, I sure hope not.
The broncos, the colts and others are anxiously waiting (and hoping) to see if Welker is available as a free agent.
Ty Law wasnt in his prime when he left, but your point is valid.
The thing is they can't have a plan at all. Because they cannot know what any player will cost, and as we all know they will never target a player and pay whatever he wants. They also have no clue who would fall to them in the draft, and anyone guaranteed to fall to 30 is nowhere near a surefire good rookie.
If he goes, its because they don't like the plan that includes him, not because they have a better, because there is no way to know with any amount of certainty if you can get a decent replacement at all, much less one that fits a plan.
I think that there's a possibility that the "Welker to Denver" talk may be a bit overrated in my opinion.
They already get some pretty decent value from Stokely as it is. I think he caught close to 50 balls for them this year, is cheap, and works well with Manning. He's coming off his best season since 2008. I'm not seeing the value of changing that up to be honest.
Adding a 9-10 million dollar slot WR to probably take some of the production away from 2 of the better up and coming WR threats of the game when you can still use Stokley and his cheap deal is almost silly in my opinion.
THOMAS--94 receptions 1434 yards 10 TD
DECKER--85 receptions 1064 yards 13 TD
STOKLEY--45 receptions 544 yards 5 TD
TAMME--52 receptions 555 yards 2 TD
First being it would hurt the Jets.
Other than that it makes no sense.
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