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  1. Deus Irae

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    Francesa Says Welker Wants Out Of NE... - Jets Insider.com Forums

    I'm listening to WFAN now, looking for confirmation that Francessa actually said it.
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    So let's say that Welker goes. Bummer, because he's perfect for this offense. But if he goes, and Boldin is released, and the Pats sign him, they get a bigger, faster receiver at the same age as Welker, and probably for less money. The question would be: How good would the Pats' offense be if the two main wide receivers were Lloyd and Boldin instead of Lloyd and Welker?
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    i do not know which of the two would be "better"

    but w/ welker its more efficient and safe, and w/ boldin it'll b more dynamic and risky
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    4 WR's: Lloyd/Boldin/Bowe/Edelman (Could we have Bowe and Boldin for the cost of Welker?)

    3 TE's: Gronk/Hernandez/Ballard at TE

    5 RB's: Ridley/Vereen/Woodhead/Bolden/Demps

    The guy we really need to focus on re-signing is Vollmer.



    Thanks for everything, Wes.
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    I'm skeptical to say the least. Time will tell whether or not Francesa is right (if he actually did say that). And stop talking about Boldin, people. He's not coming here.
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    I hope Welker says in NE. 1. He's a perfect target for TFB and 2. I just don't see him being as productive on another team.
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    everybody gets so divisive about whether we should keep welker ---- is there really somebody who thinks we'd be better without welker?
    it's retarded.

    it's just a money thing -- if they can cut a deal, they will, if they can't, they won't.
    there's a lot of guys who would help the team, but there's obviously only so much room under the cap.
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    I don't know that Boldin's any faster than Welker. I do know that Welker is much quicker than Boldin.
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    Hey Deuce there must be a Storm or something your posting about WFAN Francesa I just threaded about reading in NY Post, it's comin down to this huh? lol I heard it also Mike always get it from his "Sauses" but when someone calls him and says they "heard" things Mike dismisses it as mere speculation.
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    I sure do appreciate what Wes Welker has done during his Patriots tenure. If he moves on I'll wish him nothing but good thoughts (until the Superbowl if he does go to the 49ers). That said, there will be more cap space available to improve other areas of need so I won't cry over spilt milk.
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    I don't think that question could be answered until we know who would take his place.

    If the plan is not signing Welker and thinking addition by subtraction is better.... Hernandez / Edelman.......I am not going to be happy.

    IF the plan is a fast, outside true #1 Wallace, Jennings etc (no, not Boldin) with the above and Lloyd, count me in.

    Patriots will spend their money, they always do............let's just see where it goes.
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    If this is true, then maybe Welker should look at the 49ers' cap right now. They've got under $4M, and anything they gain by getting rid of Alex Smith is going to go to Dashon Goldson.
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    He will want out of NE if they don't want to pay him the $$$. If the pats give him his asking price than he will have nothing but great things to say about the organization. Also, I call BS on Mike's "sauces' because the fans appreciate Wes. Sure, fans complain about some of his drops but that comes with the territory.
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    I'm fine with Welker not being back if it means getting some wide receivers with size/speed or a combination of both to take his place.

    Whatever happens to Welker, the depth will need to be addressed. Also interested to see what happens to Edelman too.
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    LMAO

    Bowe alone would cost more than Welker for more years.

    You got to be kidding me.
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    I fully agree with that. I do think Boldin has better straight line speed. He's also significantly bigger and has better hands. I've never seen Boldin drop a pass. As good as Welker is (and he does make some great catches), one thing we've seen the past couple of years is a rising number of drops.

    Welker is proven in this offense. I do wonder what the Pats' offense would look like with a Boldin instead of a Welker.
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    I think it will be a tag & trade with Welker. They want him, but at heir price. They then allow him o seek a trade. The team will get a 2&4 in return.
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    We're a better team with Welker on the team. Anyone claiming our offense is worse because of Welker doesn't understand anything. That being said, saying our offense would be better with an outside the numbers guy like Fitzgerald is correct.

    I put Welker in the same category as Fitzgerald as far as elite WRs go. However Welker doesn't fit our scheme as much as a Fitzgerald would. That doesn't make Fitzgerald better because I'd rather have Welker in a almost any offense that doesn't feature two tight ends, but we're building our offense around Hernandez/Gronk/Ridley. Fitz is a more natural fit than Welker.


    Another thing is that while I do value Welker and think he has been the cog that made our offense historically great the past several years, I do think we'd be a top 5 offense without him. I'd rather have a top 5 offense and a top 5 defense than a top 3 all time offense and a mediocre defense.
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    Welker is a tremendous fit for the Patriots scheme. In the 5 years the Brady/Welker duo has been together, there have been

    2 SB appearances
    3 AFCCG appearances
    1 16-0 season
    1 14-2 season
    1 13-3 season
    1 12-4 season
    1 10-6 season (Brady's year back from sugery)

    2008 was the lost season
    2009 was the lost playoff season (Welker injured week 17)

    So, only one "healthy" Brady/Welker season hasn't resulted in at least an AFCCG appearance, and that was the 2010 playoff season with the loss to the Jets.
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    I wouldn't blame Wes in the least if he'd had enough of us and the organization. If you don't like his drops on 120 catches you're gonna have a problem with Bowe. And Boldin is reportedly saying if he's cut he's going to retire... SF makes no sense. Atlanta, Indy, Denver, Dallas...and probably a few others.
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    1st SB appearance and 16-0 was in the spread system where he's a more natural fit.
    2nd SB appearance we were without Gronk/Hernandez most of season and were running a 3 WR set a lot of the time.


    This is all completely beside the point. I already stated Welker is an elite WR. He'd put up good numbers anywhere with any half decent QB. The point is he isn't a natural fit in the natural direction our scheme is developing into.

    Had we had Fitzgerald in 2010 we likely make it to the SB- Welker was hurt, but we had no WR that could get separation.

    Had we had Fitzgerald in 2011 we likely win the SB- The Giants flooded the box with men to stop the run who just would backout in a zone against the pass and Welker couldn't make them pay deep.

    Welker and our offense having success does NOT mean Fitzgerald wouldn't have been an improvement in 2010 to present. That is completely moronic logic to say "Welker played well, therefore it's impossible for it to be any better". Fitzgerald would have been able to win deep and punish teams for loading all 11 players 15 yards deep and in between the numbers.
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    Sorry Shmessy, but you are smoking deer antler spray if you believe that the Pats could have Boldin and Bowe for the same amount as Welker. Boldin wants big money. So does Bowe. Bowe want's #1 receiver money. He doesn't deserve it.

    Also, Bowe has led the league in dropsies. You all lambaste Welker for the ones he has.... My god, people would be ranting about Bowe even more so than Welker.
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    Welker want out if the patriots don't want to pay him market rates; it really is that simple. If the patriots think that Welker thinks he's worth more than the pats do, then they can just let him go into free agency and get the best they are willing to pay for.

    If the patriots franchise Welker, his agent will tell them to call back a week before the deadline.
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    You made what is essentially a baseless claim about Fitzgerald being a better fit. It's essentially the same argument that people made when claiming Welker's catch numbers would go down because of Gronk and Hernandez, only to see Welker put up 240 catches in two seasons. I'm pointing out that Welker as a fit is nothing approaching an issue and is certainly not less of a "natural" fit than Fitzgerald would be, which is what you were claiming. It's really nothing more than that.
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    I think it's time for Wes to move on. We can use the extra cap space to address our needs on defense, which has been our Achilles heal.
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    so, is the case being made now that larry fitzgerald would be a suitable replacement?

    how would you feel about calvin johnson for welker?
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    Welker wants he's big pay day if the pats give it to him he will be happy to end he's career with the pats, i say let Welker go see what teams are offering him on the open market he will be 32 and many people around the NFL think he's a system guy that would not put up the same numbers if not for Brady...i dont think there will be a whole lot of teams lineing up to give him 8 million a year in a long term deal
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    Tired of being unappreciated by fans?

    I smell bull****. Welker is extremely well loved around New England and his jersey is one of the top selling kits.

    The only place people hate on Welker at all is talk radio after Pats don't win a Superbowl or this site. He wants a payday, nothing else. Wes has everything else in this organization except perhaps a loving owner. He has no right being mad for being benched for Edelman so the team could evaluate the guy.

    If the source is true then good riddance but it is farfetched.
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    Calvin Johnson, 1st round pick, and Suh for Welker. Sounds fair ;)
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