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  1. DW Toys

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    The way I see it, I have numbered the potential 2009 NFL starting QBs in order (being prejudice, TB is #1) of quality. These are based a little on last years production, age, experience, was the player just a caretaker, etc. This was not hype, arm strength or potential. It was leadership and ability to run an offense. The last few teams I did not list because they simply are not going to go with what they have or shouldn't.

    In my list, Orton is ranked #17 or about mid pack. Should the Broncos give away their two #1's to get to Sanchez? Or should they see if Orton can pick up the "Pats system" playbook and jell the offense into a team, not a one man show. He is a tough kid.

    Here is another shocker. What if Mcdaniels trades Orton? Would he consider Matt Gutierrez in a trade with the Pats for second string behind Simms until Sanchez is ready? Matt knows the system and the Pats might take a pick from Josh.

    Thoughts?
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    Josh has three young QB's in Denver. As you say, Orton is in the middle of the pack. Simms is an OK backup. If I were Josh, I would consider going with what I had and use the draft picks to shore up the defense. Surely, Josh should believe that he could further develop Orton and/or Simms. rather than overpay for a QB wouldn't be a first rounder in other years.

    There are other additional options. He could trade the 2010 first for someone else, perhaps Quinn. He could draft a QB in the 3rd or later. He has no need for an immediate starter. He has two competing for the job. He could draft a developmental QB AND develop his defense.

    Denver could win the division in 2010 or 2011 (and perhaps more) with Orton or Simms or a developmental QB. They can't win a division or more with their current defense.


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    Josh should use his pick elsewhere.Orton is a serviceable QB.Josh will probly use alot of short passes and run.I think Orton is going to suprise alot of people.Look he has a winning record.all that matter is how many W's you have.Denver has 2 1st,3rd and serviceable QB.
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    I really believe that orton makes sense for Broncos new coach and scheme.Even in college he was able to win games with average arm strength. I believe that Broncos will use those picks to improve defense for new 3/4 look. Orton can carry this style offense. I personally think they will look to pick S.Mcgee-Tx.a&m, or another round 3-4 type to develop. Sanchez could be in the plan. I know Mcdaniel would like to get a young guy ready sooner than later.
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    Orton may be able to do a Cassel for him. That being solid and servicable but no Brady. I don't see how he gets Sanchez, he needs the draft picks desperately.
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    Agreed,
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    If Sanchez slides, fine, if not, go defense and look for Hunter Cantwell, Stephan Mcgee, Jason Boltus, Mike Teel, Drew Willy, or Chase Holbrook...each offers Josh some servicable raw material to groom behind Orton and Simms.
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    In more ways than one, as Orton is a free agent in one year.

    I think the Broncos see what they have in Orton/Simms this year, and draft a QB next year if they feel it necessary.
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    No. Too expensive, in terms of pick and salary. If Sanchez fell to around #10 that would be one thing, but he's probably going top 5 right now.

    Here's an interesting thought in a different vein. What if Denver traded the #18 and #84 picks they got from Chicago to Carolina for Julius Peppers? They would have to convince Peppers to accept a trade, but that might be doable. Carolina would get him out of the NFC, and for not too much less than KC got for the younger Jared Allen last year (an extra third). Denver would end up essentially trading Jay Cutler for Julius Peppers, Kyle Orton and a 2010 1st round pick, which wouldn't be too bad. That would give Denver a much needed pass rusher, either at DE or at 3-4 OLB, and a big public relations boost which they need after the Cutler soap opera. Add hopefully BJ Raji at #12 (more feasible now with his positive MJ test) and they would have a markedly improved defense. Carolina could probably get someone like Robert Ayers with #18 to replace Peppers, or go in a different direction.

    Just a thought.
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    I think that would do wonders for their franchise if they landed both Peppers and Raji. I could get over the loss of Cutler pretty quick if that happened if I was a Denver fan. You improve your achilles heal {run defense} dramatically with those signings.
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    Why is Aaron Rodgers rated #20?
    The guy had a great season, better than Cutler at #8.
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    One season isn't the sum total of the future value of a quarterback.

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    ...except that on that same list, Cassel is #12 after just one season... Aaron Rodgers is better than Cutler at #8.
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    According to what? Cutler is leagues better than Rodgers at this point.
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    The question is who would you take as your QB for the 2010 season, if compensation were equal. I would take Cutler in a heartbeat. #8 is reasonable. Of course, that doesn't make Cutler worth two first rounders more than Orton (who is also better than Rodgers).

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    I can def see Mcdaniels still taking a shot at Quinn for a 3rd rounder..
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    If Denver really wanted Sanchez/Stafford I'm sure Detroit would've gladly given up the #1 overall pick for Jay Cutler. Since that didn't happen I don't think Denver is looking to take a QB in round 1. I think McDaniels is confident enough that he can get just about any QB to work in his system. Their defense is what needs to be addressed through the draft.
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    Two number ones for Sanchez?

    No, no way.

    He's better off seeing taking a good look at Orton this year, and if that doesn't work out, then drafting a QB next year - when there will be better quality and more quantity at the position.
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    Why the hell does anyone think Quinn is even available, let alone for a third? Hes the STARTER.
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    I say keep what they have right now at QB to see what they have (Two QB's who have started a total of 48 games and they are like 27. They can draft a QB (Bradford, Snead, McCoy or even Tebow) in the first next year as they will have two because of the trade. Denver I think in the long term might get the best of this deal when we look back on this. Who is Cutler throwing the ball too in Chicago, Hester and Olsen?? Not to mention the issues they have on OL but they do have a stud RB which is good.

    With #12 if the grabbed Raji would be a great start for them as I really do not see the USC kid falling below 10 IMO. Freeman I am not sold on as a first rounder....maybe at the end but I think the Jets will reach:D. Then at #18 Denver could go with Jackson if he sliped or a LB from USC (To each his own) which would be a good start to rebuilding that defense into a 3-4. They picked up some interesting RB in the off season but maybe adding a stud at #18 might be a possibility. They would still have #48 behind us to grab the next best safety or corner which is to be had in that range. If Gilbert was there they would like to pair him with Raji to anchor the 3-4 system. BTW what are they going to do with Dumerville?? I did always like to watch the little guy rush off the edge but do not see him as an OLB??
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    It would be absolutely foolish of McDaniels to go after Sanchez.

    The Broncos have a solid offense in place. They have talent and depth at OL, WR and TE, and they have a RB by committee (Buckhalter, Pittman, Young, Arrington, Jordan) that is very similar to the one McDaniels used nearly to perfection in New England. It does not make sense to bring in a project QB into this offensive system.

    Orton is just fine at QB. He did a lot with very little in his years in Chicago, and gets dumped on more than he deserves. Simms is a solid back up plan. Remember, McDaniels wanted to bring in Simms after the Brady injury. The Broncos will be an above average offense with Orton or Simms.

    On defense, Denver has jack$h!t. Their defensive line is best suited for a 4-3. They have no nose tackle, no stud ILB. With picks #12 and #18, they are in prime position to land players who will fit their defensive system to a T. Imagine a Broncos defense adding Raji and Maualuga.

    If you're the Broncos, you use this bounty of picks and you draft a defense.
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    Hester looked pretty good this year. Orton just couldn't hit him deep. Olsen is good.


    Issues on the OL? They have Orlando Pace playing LT, a 1st round pick (at LT) playing RT, two good guards, and a pro bowl center.



    The real problem in chicago is they were trying to play the run-run-run-chuckitdeep offense, and their QB was ill fitted for that...cutler isn't.
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    I just do not think Pace is the answer as he has missed 25 games over the last three season. Williams did not even start a single game last year and their two starters are gone (Browns sign OT John St. Clair) and (Bears announce retirement of OT John Tait). Between those two the started 194 games and now they need to replace it with a sophomore who has yet to start a game. The did sign Shaffer from the Browns...but the did not have a good OL in Cleveland. I agree that Kreutz and Garza are good but both over 30 and ?I am still not a big fan of Beekman.

    I think their major needs are on Defense at DE, OLB and DB both safety and CB. The do need another receiver to throw to but I do totally agree that Hester is developing quite nicely as a WR but not yet a #1 guy IMO.
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    People do not realize that Cutler has Earl Bennett his favorite WR from Vandy, on the roster. Interesting.
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    Interesting I never made that connection. With the release of Booker and Lloyd is more effective in a west coast system they need a Mohamad of 2004 to play opposite Hester. Tory Holt maybe on their radar as they have been silent on the FA market.
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    How many starts Tait and St. CLair had is irrelevant, they both were awful. They've upgraded both positions even if they only get league average.
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    Interesting conflicting rumors from CNNSI and The Sporting News.

    According to CNNSI, Denver is eager to trade up to #8 with Jacksonville, possibly targeting Sanchez, Brian Orapko, BJ Raji or Tyson Jackson. With an extra 3rd from Chicago they could probably trade up from 12 to 8 and still keep 2nd and 3rd round picks.

    Broncos eyeing Jags' No. 8 pick? | Truth&Rumors | FanNation

    However, according to The Sporting News, Jacksonville is desperate to trade down from the #8 spot but has gotten no offers. This seems strange to me, as they are a prime candidate for someone looking to trade up for Raji, Sanchez (if he falls past Seattle at #4), a pass rusher, or possibly even Josh Freeman.

    SportingNews.com - ProFootballTalk

    Of course, the Sporting News report is by Mike Florio, so perhaps that explains it. :D
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    Whenever you have so many red chip prospects grading out so closely, it all comes down to which team locks onto which player.

    Any trades would require that player to be available. So while most teams have contingencies in place to trade with other teams, it is doubtful that any trades take place until the draft in underway.
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