Does it Make Sense for BB to Shift Money to LB/Secondary Moving Forward?

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  1. maverick4

    maverick4 Banned

    Doesn't it make sense to start shifting money to star players on defense who play the most snaps for you? I understand the scarcity of big talented D-linemen, but with our offense, how much do we really need to stop the run as opposed to pass rush or play pass D?

    Take a look at these defensive snaps, per Reiss:
    New England Patriots Blog - Guyton plays all 70 snaps - ESPN Boston

    Reiss also had another post where he showed this year we play mostly 4-3, when we aren't in various passing sub-packages. Our D-linemen constantly rotated and played less than half the total snaps. This is maybe also a reason why he traded Seymour away, we didn't need his elite services anymore compared to the value we got back.

    Given how much we use our safeties, cornerbacks, and certain LB's during the entire game, doesn't it make sense that we should start shifting our dollars, moving forward, towards stars in those positions?
  2. Marqui

    Marqui In the Starting Line-Up

    Theres nothing worse than not being able to stop the run.
  3. farn

    farn In the Starting Line-Up

    Haha ! I can over to this thread ASAP because I thought it said : Does it make sense for BB to shift MARONEY to LB... it was going to be the most epic thread of all-time ! I won't lie, I was a bit dissappointed when I got here.

    ...on the topic, I guess I'd say the cheap (relatively speaking, not real-life speaking), young players are getting the job done ! Keeping them - down the road - might cost money... but who knows what the CBA will bring ?
  4. patchick

    patchick Moderatrix Staff Member Supporter

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    I'd say Leigh Bodden seems to be setting himself up to become a one-man shifting of money to the secondary.
  5. livinginthe past

    livinginthe past Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    I saw the exact same thing.
  6. I thought the same thing about Maroney.

    Maverick4, you make a good point about the shifting of the money. I've thought for quite some time that the Pats needed to shift the money away from the D-line lineman and more towards the LB's and secondary. It's great to have stud D-lineman but teams like the Broncos and the 49ers are proving you don't have to have 1st round draft picks on your line to be effective. If the Pats continue to run a 4-3, then I would see them use their money more towards DE's and CB's. If they want to switch back to a 3-4, I can see it being used more towards the LB's and CB's.
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  7. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member Supporter

    In the last two years the Pats have drafted one linebacker in the first and two in the third. They also already have a good amount of money invested at linebacker in Adalius Thomas. In addition they gave up a third round pick in order to add Derrick Burgess.

    At safety the Pats have drafted one player in the first round and another in the second round in the last three years, plus they added Brandon McGowan this year. And at corner the Pats have used two second round picks and a fourth in the last three years, as well as adding Leigh Bodden and Shawn Springs.

    Meanwhile Ron Brace was only the second defensive lineman taken in the first five rounds of any draft since 2004. I would say the shift in emphasis has already taken place. As for Guyton taking more snaps than the linemen, I would say that's more out of necessity than anything else due to the situations with Mayo, McKenzie and Crable.
  8. maverick4

    maverick4 Banned

    I'd agree with this. It appears that early on as he built the team, BB looked for high picks on big D-line players, and as the team has evolved, he has focused on rebuilding the LB and secondary corps.
  9. capetide

    capetide Practice Squad Player

    Geez, I made the same mistake. (And Maroney does spend alot of time filling holes instead of getting through them :) ).
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  10. sieglo

    sieglo In the Starting Line-Up

    Maroney would make a fantastic linebacker. First of all, when Maroney is in the game the running back never makes it through a hole and never gains more than three yards. He is also great in space. Only problem is that he's made of glass.
  11. convertedpatsfan

    convertedpatsfan Supporter Supporter

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    Pretty much sums up what I was going to write.

    I'd just add that while there was obviously a lot of attention paid to those areas, not a whole lot of money actually had to shift. Bodden and McGowan are practically steals, and none of the young guys have a huge, unreasonable contract.

    Some of these guys will eventually get paid (either here or somewhere else), but it's interesting how quickly and cheaply these areas were reinforced.
  12. jeffbiologist

    jeffbiologist Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    I think they are shying away from the STAR players and building safety in numbers. If you can get 2-3 guys on the cheap every year...sign em to 2-3 yr contracts and cut the guys that dont work takes away the number one killer of teams: a injured player with an Albatross contract. I think JM in Denver got this from BB, and trading Cutler away both restocks the team AND affirms his leadership away from STAR players. Think about the STAR players we have signed as FAs...Colvin, Thomas, neither one worth the $$. Better to get 10 JAGs and for every Rodney you get a Biesel, for every Vrabel you get a Gabriel and so on.
  13. muzz

    muzz Supporter Supporter

    When I first read the title I thought I read "Does it Make Sense for BB to Shift Maroney to LB/Secondary Moving Forward?"

    I was what an idea!!:singing:
  14. JFK

    JFK Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    You shift money to where it is needed. You don't select where you shift money to.
  15. Marqui

    Marqui In the Starting Line-Up

    Whats a JAG?
  16. muzz

    muzz Supporter Supporter

    Just a Guy
  17. cmasspatsfan

    cmasspatsfan In the Starting Line-Up

    So in essence your saying dont sign Big Vince and spend the money elsewhere?
  18. BradyFTW!

    BradyFTW! Supporter Supporter

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    QFT. If he keeps this up, we'll have no choice but to re-sign him.
  19. patsfaninpa

    patsfaninpa In the Starting Line-Up

    So much of the game is played in space. Yes, I think it's a good idea. It seems that the dominant defensive players are safeties. Palomaleu, E.Reed, B.Sanders come to mind. Not many teams try to mash you. That said, no reason to cheap out on Big Vince. But, was a good idea to trade Seymour. He would have wanted too much money and isn't as valuable as he used to be.
  20. mgteich

    mgteich Veteran Supporter

    For posters, the choice of where to play always belongs to the patriots.

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