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Does everybody understand what we're getting with Adalius Thomas?

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    So it seems to be that people who know me and who like to talk sports with me and etc have the wrong general idea about the type of player we are getting.

    Some people look at the Stats and say "hes a sack machine that will tackle" They look at his 28 sacks in 3 seasons (the last 3) and his 239 tackles and figure hes a run stopping blitzing OLB.

    I truly believe and hope no one here hopes for this man to reach similar sack stats with the Patriots. Because quite frankly it just wont happen. He comes from a blitz happy team that capitalized on his one stregth, his speed at attacking the QB.

    With our team he might not even be considered a OLB, sure he might play and start the games off at that position but i realize he'll be utilized more often than not in various positions throughout our LB scheme. Maybe one play OLB the next ILB, after on 3rd downs he can put his hand down on a nickel scheme. The possibilities are quite endless. Hell he could even pull a Don Davis and go safety on us.

    The point of this thread is this mans true presence wont be shown in the stats. He'll be a dominating force enough in our game that teams will have to play around him ala Seymour. The stats wont show him to have a great year but i can guarantee it now that he will make a presence that is more noticeable than anyone else on this team. Outside of Brady.

    Just wanted to see what every ones general consensus was about our new key player.
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    I think he will be more noticable when playing teams with a great running back like Tomlinson which we will face again this year :eek: ...Last year Ladanian had the middle of the defense on its heels with Adalius it might be a bit tougher to do that,I think his presense will be felt with help in slowing down a good running game - Ladanian will NOT see 150 yards this time around.
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    Your right. The Pats style of defense is a lot different then the Ravens defense. I think AT will be used more in coverage then pass rushing. But who knows, maybe with more talent on the defense, the Pats turn to a more aggresive style like the Ravens.
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    If the Pats can get some young, fast LB's that can contribute quickly, LT will have a harder time running all over the Pats defense like last time.
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    Why is everyone so worried about the Chargers in the regular season for? We beat them last year with L.T. running for 150 yards, Tom throwing multiple INTs, and a lesser team as a whole when it comes to talent. We have definitely improved in the off-season with the draft still to come.

    The only thing I don't want to do is see them in the post-season, especially at Qualcomm.
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    I think they will - I almost guarantee it. And I would say it is likely they will also be even less aggressive than last year. Ommmm.

    Seriously, what I mean by this is, our D only ever does really well in one stat category, points scored against. It's always been at its best with maximum flexibility and versatility -- in coach speak "um yeah we can do a lot of things with him, he can do a lot of, you know, things, and then we can use those things in a lot of ways..." yadda yadda yadda.

    Nope, we won't suddenly re-make the D... we'll use the talents that are there. And the more versatile your guys are, the more looks you can show, the more ways you can handle a given situation (betcha anything we don't get blitz-happy. Also betcha anything there will be 1 game when that's called for often, and for that week, we'll be the Ravens or the Steelers... then the next week, we'll be somebody else...)

    Yammering over,

    PFnV
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    We beat them by a 'miracle football strip' by Troy,Otherwise the games in the tank,They dominated us - We were luckier and they beat themselves with stupid mental errors.

    No miracles and stupid immature mistakes are not likely again,We need to play better against them,and I think we can-we do have a better group now.
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    I wouldn't be so sure about that Sean. To be honest I don't know how good A Thomas is so I really can't make an assumption on what he will do this season. I will say ask you this though? Do you think he is better than McGinist or Vrabel? If you do then I do think 13 sacks is well within the realm of possibilty considering those two players have posted 9 1/2-10 1/2 sack seasons in previous years.

    I'm not going to overvalue what we have in AT but I'm not going to undervalue him either. From all scouting accounts AT is a complete and versatile player and every players sack total depends on the scheme and stunt packages they are running for that particular game. 17 sacks? 7 sacks?Who knows?
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    All those things aside, that game was really over when our offense drove the ball down the field to score a touchdown at the end of the first half. I still have that game TiVOed and the expression on most of the faces on the SD sideline told the story. L.T. carried that offense so they were still able to go toe to toe with us. I do agree with you when you say we should have lost that game though. Thank God for Troy.
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    Never say never... he should be able to put up at least a decent sack total, not that it is the most important stat though.
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    Isn't this the same argument we have about Richard Seymour, a lot of games he shows up with 3 assists and minimal stats, but if you key on him he is consistently double teamed and still makes tons of good plays. This defense in the trenches does not lend itself to a lot of high numbers, but many quality team plays. There will be those who will say he is a bust, because of numbers alone. But when it is all said and done, he along with #93 will consistently be honored by their peers. Numbers in D do not tell the story, particularly in this defense.
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    His presence immediately makes our front 7 better. That's all I really care about. Sacks are overrated.
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    I disagree. I see him as a menace from the OLB spot. He will be like Willie Mac, and with Colvin back to full strength on the other side...He will be very effective.

    Hell, even Tully B-C was very good as a pass rusher from that spot and frankly he's a JAG.
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    he will be used alot of ways i dont think at cornerback like with the ravens but i think 89tak 8sacks and 3ints sonds about right
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    Even though no one mentions this vrabel is when outside under pass rush scenario is a beast. The key is we have consistent pass rush over 4 quaters as after vrabel and colvin the quality nose dived .We need more LB as after a no huddle series we need to rest them or the defence winds down.
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    Sorry, but I have to disagree here. The Chargers and Patriots were fairly evenly matched. The Pats had the air game, the Chargers the running game. It was a brutal battle and the game hinged on one mistake. That is the pure definition of hard fought game.
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    It sure seemed like that at the time watching the game, but watch the tape again.... It wasn't a dominating performance by the Chargers. The game was actually really closely fought. But yes, we still needed the play of the decade by Troy to pull it out.
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    I expect AD to spend more time at ILB. This lets Vrabel move back to LOLB and Rosy to ROLB. AD has the size and speed to cover the best TEs incl. Gates. LT had a good game vs. us because TBC couldn't hold the edge on that side. In fairness to TBC McNeil neutralized (to put it mildly) Seymour who was playing with an injured left arm and ankle. Our front 3, if healthy,
    will stop the run with our LBs. The weakness that AD fixes is in coverage.
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    Thank God for marlon macree. If we had gone on to win the Superbowl, I'd be in favor of retiring his number and putting him in the pats hall of fame for not batting down that pass. Talk about not being aware of situational football.
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    Your point is well taken,SB54,but what I keep thinking about is Clarke getting all those receptions in the AFC championship game,and the defence not having an answer for it.Now they do.
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    His stats will subside because he won't be asked to do one thing really well. Like DH said he'll be dropping into coverage when we face a pass happy team, and he will be on the line against a run happy team.
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    Before we get all aquiver, lets understand that ANY single player is playing within the context of an eleven man defense. Any comparison's to last year's game with SD is irrelevant.

    Both the Pats and SD will see between a 15-20% change in their rosters from last year. Our defensive backfield will be almost completely different, with Harrison, Wilson and Gay returning. Our entire WR corps will be vastly improved and SO much deeper. I don't know the Chargers that well, but rest assured THEY will make improvements as well, through FA, the draft, or the development of THEIR younger players.

    Some time I think we all fall into the trap of ONLY looking at the improvements that our team has made, and forget that other teams are improving as well, and by the END of the season, it won't be be dramatic changes that will make the difference, it will be the subtle ones....or lack thereof.

    BTW- IIRC LT made most of his yardage going between the OLB and the CBs. I also recall that the Pats were always just a quarter step late on his good runs. They were very close to shutting him down. I think we need more of an adjustment rather than radical surgery to solve the problem. On the other hand, LT is an all time great back, and he is always going to get his 80-100 yds. What we need to do next time is lop off that extra 50.

    Also, great call dry heat, you really hit it one the AD signing. Now I have some stocks to sell and I need to know when...... ;)
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    You must not have played much football then. I played safety all throughout high school and, believe me, when a football is coming right at you with no WR in sight, your INSTINCT is to intercept it. Just like when you're in a fist fight. People watching can tell you everything you should be doing, but the bottom line is that you're going to do what instinct tells you to do.

    If I were a Chargers fan, I wouldn't be pissed at MacCree (sp?). Hindsight is 100% and it's easy to sit back from the comfort of your couch and say "Oh yeah, I would have done that". Believe me, NOBODY in that same situation would have batted that pass down. Not even you.
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