Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Seven Nation Army, Jun 13, 2007.
Does Bill Parcells belong in the Hall of Fame?
Who the F is voting NO? I mean, come on, people. Be more bitter.
He got to two Super Bowls with the Giants, one courtesy of a 49er fumble as they were trying to ice the game, won two, one courtesy of a barely missed field goal.
He scores MAJOR points for turning around the Patriots, gets them to the playoffs in his second year here, takes a slight step back his third year, then gets them to the Super Bowl his fourth year here. Things were lined up for a great run, but he chose to go to the Jets, and turned them around, got them to the AFC Championship game his second year there, then Vinnie blew out his tendon and that was that.
On to the Cowboys, where he got them to the playoffs but never won a playoff game.
So there you go; three Super Bowl trips, two wins and four Conference Championships tells me yes..................
I say no. If Parcells and his 2 Super Bowl titles get him in, Oakland's Tom Flores should be in, too. He'll get in, though, because the NFL HOF is more watered down than the NBA HOF, which really says something.
of course he does
his daughter keeps Scott Pioli happy
3 SB apearances, 2 SB victories, I don't know how many division titles..
Also turned 4 non play off teams into contenders.
Maybe the worse thing he has against him was his lack of loyalty to franchises. But that aside, he belongs.
Oh yeah, he spawned the Belichick era here in NE.
I am not bitter at ol' Bill in the least.
I agree with this and like to add with out Bill Belichick he did have much success at all.
I say yes, but only posthumously. His "retirements" always turn out to be "graduations".
Parcells ABSOLUTELY belongs in the Hall. He turned around EVERY TEAM he coached - in big ways. This isn't even a contest.
There really is no debate about it.
He is 9th all time in wins and has 2 Super Bowl rings. He is a lock.
I agree, one of the greatest coaches of all time. Turned around 4 franchises.
Also, can we quit with this Belichick won all Parcells titles, then sprang straight from heaven to become Patriots coach stuff?
Belichick was the chief Parcells disciple, learned more from him than from anyone else and improved tremendously between his Browns stint and the Pats head coaching job, while asst head coach to Parcells.
He sure does...2 SB Championships...2 NFC and 2 AFC Championship appearances...turned 2 losing franchises around (Pats & Jets). And he has a nice bright white smile to boot.
No Giants won on defense. It was all Belichick. Didn't that defensive game plan against Buffalo end up in the Hall of Fame.
You voted No in the poll, huh?
Yeah, it was an incredible defensive effort in Super Bowl XXV given that Belichick had no say in the grocery shopping for the Giants and the fact that Parcells, as head coach, had the power to overrule any playcalling his coordinators make at any given time. Belichick may be Giants defensive coordinator, but no way was that his defense. It was Parcells'.
And my most vivid recollection of that game was how the Giants offense grinded out the clock, which was also a factor in the game.
I voted Yes BTW... Tuna absolutely is a HoF coach.
Based on his performance as a Pats coach... the answer is NO!
He'll get in, but I don't think he belongs. He is above average, which is a great compliment, but not great. Some former thoughts:
"No doubt he'll be a first-ballot Hall of Famer (once the voters are convinced he's retired, at least), but I don't believe he deserves it. He never won a playoff game without BB coaching his defense. I usually don't give creedence to the whole "never did anything without so-and-so" argument, but in this case the evidence is overwhelming. All of Parcells' successful teams were all about the defense and BB had a lot of autonomy. You hear stories about how Parcells was clueless about a defensive game plan and basically told BB "it better work". The '96 Patriots team is a great example, the offense was actually quite weak down the stretch, but BB's late-season defense carried them.
The media loves his persona, but I don't believe an objective evaluation can put him in the class of "great" coaches."
Still a no.
RayClay we started to discuss this two years ago, and I'll still disagree with you entirely. Did you read Education of A Coach yet? To call Belichick a "Parcells disciple" is ridiculous. Belichick is a Steve Belichick disciple, maybe an Ernie Adams disciple if you like, but by no means was he ever under Parcells. They no doubt learned from each other, but don't forget who was coaching in the NFL first!
"...I don't believe that BP has had much of an influence on BB in the grand scheme of BB's career. I could be wrong of course. It would be interesting to hear BB list his top 20 influences. I for one would be surprised if BP were mentioned. Even if he were it doesn't make any sense to include BB on a BP tree just because of their relationship at the Giants, it was never a mentor-protegee relationship as one would expect with a "coaching tree"-type relationship. They co-existed and were an excellent tandem, but BP was not educating BB any more than BB was educating BP."
In hindsight, okay, Parcells is probably in BB's top-20, but I still say he's not in the top 10 and to put him first (i.e. disciple) is just non-sensical.
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