Does BB Need To Bring In An Experienced DC To Rebuild The Defense?

[MoLewisrocks]

If there was an option for "no, the coaching is fine, but it might be time to bring in some better talent evaluators, since losing Pioli and Dimitroff has clearly hurt", then I would have thought about selecting that. Since there wasn't that option, I chose no. The idea that Belichick, whether in scheme or coaching, is overmatched... that's ridiculous.

I hear a lot of biatching about the drafts from 2006 to 2009...only Pioli did the leg work for most of them and Dimetroff was here for most of that time.

 

[drew4008]

As for defensive personnel, there is talent there with Carter, Haynesworth, Wilfork, Anderson, Mayo, Spikes, McCourty & Chung...it's more scheme that's the problem.

Yup definitely agree. The "BB is still a genius, he can't find players for his schemes" talk is total BS. He can't scheme anymore, that's the problem. Our blitzing is HORRENDOUS. Like actually disgusting to watch how pisspoor we are at it.

 

[NEP4Life]

It's possible that BB is the greatest football mind ever. He's certainly the best in the NFL currently. His breadth and depth of knowledge of the game is unmatched.

Nevertheless, being the best doesn't mean he doesn't have blind spots. Being the best doesn't mean he doesn't need experienced outsiders with alternate viewpoints, who are willing able to defend them.

Even the best have to deal with 24-hour days, tunnel vision, blind spots, change. The best surround themselves with people who make them better, not spineless yes-men who are "just happy to be here."

 

[MoLewisrocks]

It's possible that BB is the greatest football mind ever. He's certainly the best in the NFL currently. His breadth and depth of knowledge of the game is unmatched.

Nevertheless, being the best doesn't mean he doesn't have blind spots. Being the best doesn't mean he doesn't need experienced outsiders with alternate viewpoints, who are willing able to defend them.

Even the best have to deal with 24-hour days, tunnel vision, blind spots, change. The best surround themselves with people who make them better, not spineless yes-men who are "just happy to be here."

Who says Bill is currently surrounded with spineless yes men, and who says their predecessor's weren't? He and Pioli agreed to disagree on players and move on. Sometimes that worked. Other times it probably cost us guys like Ed Reed. Dimetroff is on record as claiming he will never taking a player with character concerns, period. Pioli used to preach that but then we took some and so has he in KC... Player evaluation is as much art as science. When did you ever see RAC or Charlie push back? The game plan to hit Marshall Faulk was something Bill came up with off the grid talking with Saban. Brady's only TD pass in SB XXXVI came on an sideline adjustment BB called for Charlie to make on a play that wasn't working because of coverage... RAC and Charlie were just happy to be here in 2000 and 2001 because otherwise they'd have been unemployed... Parcell's used to strip Charlie of his playcalling duties and basically treated him like crap in NY... He never promoted RAC beyond position coach, which was why he was in Cleveland about to fail as a first time DC when Bill took over here and held a slot for him as DC by covering the position himself for a season. When the QB's coach passed in 2001 Belichick essentially split those duties with Charlie because it gave the position a better shot for the season than bringing in some position coach with no familiarity with who the players were or what was expected of them...

Compared to working for Tuna their time with Belichick was enjoyable because he isn't an egotistical jackass and while he adheres to the one voice mantra he always credited his coaching staff and like with his players he never threw them under any busses. But he was still their boss and they did his bidding and as the formula succeeded they both began to chafe because they wanted more credit for what they contributed... Well, they got it...

And none of them was an experienced outsider. They either came up with Bill and under Bill in RAC's case in the Giants years or came up under Tuna in his JETS period running the Giants offense and defensive schemes or like Pioli and Mangini Bill gave them their first jobs and on the job training in his system along with a lot of others in Cleveland....

 

[RayClay]

More than three years of "rebuilding" the defense and no significant progress has been made.

Is it time to bring in an experienced defensive co-ordinator, as Dom Capers was brought in previously, to take over the defensive schemes and personnel?

You're seriously proposing that Belichick hire Dom Capers to show him how to build and coach a football team? Really?

Except for Brady and Wilfork, BB's virtually rebuilt the whole team on both sides of the ball in the last few years. Even won 11 games without Brady one year. What's Capers record for turning around teams in a few years?

 

[RayClay]

We're touting a guy who's 1-15, 7-9, now 1-6 in his head coaching career to come in and turn our defense around because BB has had three years and he can't do it?

Is this bizarro world?

 

[Snake Eyes]

We're touting a guy who's 1-15, 7-9, now 1-6 in his head coaching career to come in and turn our defense around because BB has had three years and he can't do it?

Is this bizarro world?

Just because a guy is a bad HC doesn’t mean he can’t be a good coordinator. Also, if a guy is successful as a HC why would he come here to be a coordinator?

 

[Big-T]

Just because a guy is a bad HC doesn’t mean he can’t be a good coordinator.

See Wade Phillips as an example of this. Mike Nolan too.

 

[Halifax_Pats_Fan]

Did anyone hear him on WEEI yesterday...

Bill Belichick on WEEI - 11/7/2011



very short and some of the questions being thrown his way was clearly annoying the hell out of him...

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

The defense last year, after week 3 allowed the 3rd fewest points in the NFL. Does that suck?

Andy

Why are you asking this type of question?

The defense sucks verdict is in. Nothing is going to change that because some idiot rationale will be delivered to fit the paradigm.

It's simply hard to believe that any fanbase that deems themselves north of ****** could ever look at a four turnover game and continually blame the defense.

It is what it is.

 

[ralmat55]

They could bring in an experienced D coach to coordinate this defense. But who would want the position if they weren't desperate for a job? Think about it. You'd be working under a head coach who's been the de facto DC for 2 seasons and is one of the legendary defensive minds in the history of the NFL. Good luck to whoever tries to do it (same to whoever has to succeed Belichick as HC when the time comes). This is Bill Belichick's team, his defense and he is the one who needs to fix it. My frustration as a fan is that I don't think this coach, who I respect and appreciate, is still up to the task having seen no lasting improvement over the last couple of seasons.

 

[Snake Eyes]

They could bring in an experienced D coach to coordinate this defense. But who would want the position if they weren't desperate for a job? Think about it. You'd be working under a head coach who's been the de facto DC for 2 seasons and is one of the legendary defensive minds in the history of the NFL. Good luck to whoever tries to do it (same to whoever has to succeed Belichick as HC when the time comes). This is Bill Belichick's team, his defense and he is the one who needs to fix it. My frustration as a fan is that I don't think this coach, who I respect and appreciate, is still up to the task having seen no lasting improvement over the last couple of seasons.

Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, if BB isn't up to the task the only logical thing to do is bring in someone else, maybe RAC, perhaps Spags, or Mike Nolan, but it isn't getting done right now, why is a different perspective a bad thing?

 

[RayClay]

Just because a guy is a bad HC doesn’t mean he can’t be a good coordinator. Also, if a guy is successful as a HC why would he come here to be a coordinator?

I think Belichick was a pretty good Defensive coordinator, If my memory serves me...

 

[RayClay]

Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, if BB isn't up to the task the only logical thing to do is bring in someone else, maybe RAC, perhaps Spags, or Mike Nolan, but it isn't getting done right now, why is a different perspective a bad thing?

In our case, a different result would be a losing season. I know that's hard to grasp, but lots of teams have them, every year. Including teams that have employed currently hot assistants.

Maybe because our organization has patience?

 

[Kontradiction]

The answer to this question has been yes for some time...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, if BB isn't up to the task the only logical thing to do is bring in someone else, maybe RAC, perhaps Spags, or Mike Nolan, but it isn't getting done right now, why is a different perspective a bad thing?

Did you see RAC's D get biatchslapped by the previously winless Dolphins last week? You know, the team Mike Nolan is the DC of that would be a .500 team today if his defense hadn't previously coughed up 3 4th quarter leads?? The team Brady put up 500 yards against?

Some of you are either incredibly naive or flat out clueless. You want a name because you assume if you recognize it he must be better than Belichick and some of his assistants at running a defense...LOL

Spags may be available as a DC soon, although probably not for another year after failing miserably as a HC of the Rams... But unless he brings the 2007 Giants defense with him he would do about as much good here as he has in St. Louis. Bill is likely going back to the 3-4 next season. He said as much in a recent interview. He decided to play the 4-3 this season because it's easier to install and run than his 2 gap scheme without an offseason and with the kind of short term gap filler talent he saw available during the brief FA period.

 

[Snake Eyes]

In our case, a different result would be a losing season. I know that's hard to grasp, but lots of teams have them, every year. Including teams that have employed currently hot assistants.

Maybe because our organization has patience?

Yeah, like the defense melting down at critical times for YEARS.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Did you see RAC's D get biatchslapped by the previously winless Dolphins last week? You know, the team Mike Nolan is the DC of that would be a .500 team today if his defense hadn't previously coughed up 3 4th quarter leads?? The team Brady put up 500 yards against?

Some of you are either incredibly naive or flat out clueless. You want a name because you assume if you recognize it he must be better than Belichick and some of his assistants at running a defense...LOL

Spags may be available as a DC soon, although probably not for another year after failing miserably as a HC of the Rams... But unless he brings the 2007 Giants defense with him he would do about as much good here as he has in St. Louis. Bill is likely going back to the 3-4 next season. He said as much in a recent interview. He decided to play the 4-3 this season because it's easier to install and run than his 2 gap scheme without an offseason and with the kind of short term gap filler talent he saw available during the brief FA period.

Those Dolphins also gave the Giants, who just beat us, a real run for their money. you also might want to consider what the coordinator has to work with WHEN YOU BASH THEM, it's funny how quick you are to point out their talent when trying to denigrate their success.

That being said I'm far less concerned with what they have done with other teams than what they COULD do here. By your reasoning it was a giant mistake for Kraft to hire BB, look at his record in Cleveland, what a loser.

 

[NEP4Life]

The revolving door continues.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...4121-patriots-release-albert-haynesworth.html

 

[Big-T]

Add a GM to list of things needed this off-season.

Along with:
Offensive Coordinator
Defensive Coordinator
DB coach
WR
OLB
DE
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