Welcome to PatsFans.com

Does anyone think Tom is underrated when compared to Peyton Manning?

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by ginachen, Jul 1, 2008.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. ginachen

    ginachen Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2006
    Messages:
    66
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Tom has obviously done much more with less other then last year, yet all the "experts" always say it's very close between them. I don't think Manning is even close, he's certainly a very good player, but he can't compared to Tom. Last November, ESPN did a comparison between them, they compared their "leadership". Some idiot said they are tie, because it's too close. WTF??? Tom never throw his temmate under the bus like Manning did. I t's just one of the thing Brady is underrated when compared to him. I think every thing Brady did is underrated when compared to Manning.
  2. skri65

    skri65 Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2005
    Messages:
    1,345
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    Well, I've never heard this comparison before
  3. BradyToMoss

    BradyToMoss Guest

    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    After the Steelers beat Indy 3 years ago in the playoffs at the RCA Dome to move on to their superbowl title, I'll never forget that post-game presser from Goober-18 when he all but be-headed his offensive line publicly in front of the entire nation. If I were blocking for him and I watched that, I would become an instant turnstyle and let him get hammered, I'm sure Jeff Saturday and Tarik Glenn were thinking the same thing watching that BS. There in lies the true difference. Tom, yes, the greatest QB to lace up pads would never, ever, ever diss any teammate no matter the situation, ever, period !!!!!!!! This guy could barely walk after the superbowl, you want to talk about having no offensive line and he stood up there and gave the Giants all the credit in the world, not one bad comment about anything, o-line or anything, nothing, that's Tom..............

    All these years he has worked with Pop Warner wideouts (except last year finally) and he never complained, ever. That's a leader and that's why he'll always be better than G-18, man, to think if TB had Harrison and Wayne all these years and a nice cushy Dome to throw in, can you just imagine ???
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 1, 2008
  4. Gunnails

    Gunnails Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2007
    Messages:
    2,622
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    OK guy's I'll take this one

    Tom hasn't been underated or been in anyones shadow since his first SB MVP.
  5. Disco Volante

    Disco Volante Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2007
    Messages:
    6,209
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0

    Peyton Manning is a great regular season QB.

    Tom Brady is a great regular season and one of the greatest post-season QB's of all-time.
  6. spacecrime

    spacecrime Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    8,329
    Likes Received:
    17
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -0

    I acutally think 2002 (9-7) was the year he achieved recognition.

    There was a lot of "fluke" and "one-year-wonder" stuff floating around after the SB, and many here thought we shuld have kept Bledsoe.

    He did well in 2002, and played hurt at the end of the year.

    After that, it was all glory.
  7. Sivy

    Sivy Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2007
    Messages:
    3,060
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    you know I was just thinking about how I'd like to have this conversation again.

    Tom brady is better than payton manning by a signifigant amount, thats not he's not a great qb, def. the second best in the league. Have you ever noticed that when people talk about payton, they talk about him possibly being the best qb in the league, but when they talk about brady, they talk about him possibly being the best qb ever?
  8. flyonthewall

    flyonthewall Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2008
    Messages:
    60
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    PM is pretty darm good. Maybe not as clutch as Tom, but good nonetheless. I just hope that Colts fans get as nervous facing Tom as I get when we play PM.
  9. jbb9s

    jbb9s Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2006
    Messages:
    2,159
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ratings:
    +3 / 0 / -0

    Before last year maybe TB was underrated when compared to Peyton.

    But since the 16-0 and the 50 TDs, I have never heard Manning in the same sentence of Brady's greatness by anyone. Seriously. Find me one link to a page that rates Manning higher than Brady in the last year.
  10. spacecrime

    spacecrime Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    8,329
    Likes Received:
    17
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -0

    I know. It just goes to show how stupid people are. Brady is great, not because he is a great QB, but because he has a great WR to throw to.

    To me, Brady's greatest year was not throwing to Moss, but when his 1-2-3 receivers were Troy Brown, David "AFL" Patten (no way he should have made the team!) and Fred "XFL" Coleman. His tight ends were Rutledge and Wiggins. Rutledge could block but couldn't catch and Wiggins could catch but not block the opposing defenses know who to cover and who to ignore.
  11. jbb9s

    jbb9s Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2006
    Messages:
    2,159
    Likes Received:
    3
    Ratings:
    +3 / 0 / -0

    Good call. I could make a case for Brady's greatest year being 2006 where his 1,2,3 were Caldwell, the dude with the dreads who was then cut, later Gaffney, and Brown. If they pull off that AFCCG in Indy, they would have surely beat up the Bears. Anyway, I feel like Brady should have been MVP that year only because of how pathetic that wide out lineup was and how far they got. Even maroney was young and indecisive and Dillon was slow. The highlight of Maroney in that postseason was his (unintentional) kick pass on the goal line to Mankins if I remember correctly.
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2008
  12. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    29,360
    Likes Received:
    46
    Ratings:
    +59 / 1 / -0

    I don't know. I always look at Brady and Manning as fairly on par with one another. I think Brady would be on pace to break all of Favre's/Marino's like Manning if he had quality WRs his entire career, but I think most people will always factor that into the comparisons.

    I think for the rest of their careers Manning and Brady will be on an ever swaying pendulum of who is better. Every time the pendulum swings, people will claim that the debate is definitively over. And it will be until the next time the pendulum swings. Right now, the pendulum is definitely swaying towards Brady.

    Brady has been considered one of the best of all time for a while now. I don't know if he can be really all that underrated. I think some of his skills were underappreciated until this year a bit because he didn't have the stats. But even without the stats, he was always considered one of the best of all times in terms of pocket prescence, decision making, intelligence, coolness under pressure, etc. This year just proved he could put up Madden type of production with quality talent around him just like Manning has done all these years.
  13. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    29,360
    Likes Received:
    46
    Ratings:
    +59 / 1 / -0

    I thought Brady's greatest year was actually the 2006 season. He had one of his better statistical years and were able to make the Pats offense above average with absolutely nothing around him. Reche Caldwell was his only consistent WR and he was a 2/3 WR playing a primary target role. The #2 WR spot was a revolving door of WRs. There was zero depth at the postion that started players who would be back ups on half the teams in the league. Corey Dillon seemed to workout his wrist more than his legs waiving for him to be taken out of the game because he was always tiring out. Maroney was injured for most of the season. Watson and Graham were inconsistent. With all that, Brady still got 3529 yards, 24 TDs, only 12 INTs, completed 61.8% of his passes, and had a 87.9 QB rating. Not his first or second best season numbers-wise, but up there.
  14. TommyBrady12

    TommyBrady12 Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2008
    Messages:
    3,329
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -1

    the most significant stat in judging a quarterback is the TD/INT ratio.

    Brady's regular season TD/INT ratio is something like 2.35, which is outstanding. He has a sensational TD/INT ratio for the playoffs as well.

    Peyton has decent regular season TD/INT but he's thrown 17 picks in the playoffs, which is not that good at all.

    THe biggest difference between peyton and brady is that peyton throws a lot of picks.
  15. Dino 6 Rings

    Dino 6 Rings Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2008
    Messages:
    652
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    This conversation reminds me of what I heard in the 80s/90s when talking Marino and Montana. Each year, Marino (Manning) would lead the league in yards, tds, and what not, and then Montana would go home with a ring, 4 times. That's how I view the Brady vs Manning arguement. They are both great QBs in their own right, but Brady gets it done in the post season, and Manning (except once) never seems to get it done.

    Oh, and Marino had to play against Montana in his one superbowl appearance, Manning played against Rex Grossman, please. Anyway, that's the same discussion here. Manning vs Brady is the old Montana vs Marino conversation.
  16. ScottieC

    ScottieC Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2008
    Messages:
    3,034
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    I think the biggest difference between the two is that Peyton has been throwing to a HOF receiver his whole career.

    Brady? Nope. He's got one year with Randy, and hopefully 3 more great years with lots of hardware.
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2008
  17. Manzana

    Manzana Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2008
    Messages:
    23
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Exactly what I was going to post Dino... when people look back on this in 20 or so years, they are going to see Brady and Manning and all that is going to matter is how many Super Bowls each one won. Sure Manning has his one (more than Marino can say) but there is no question the media has been playing up the Brady-Montana, Manning-Marino resemblances for years.

    This is going to be one of those arguments that no one ever wins. To me and many here, it is obvious that Brady is the superior quarterback, doing more with less, winning 3 SB, compared to 1.. no question in my mind. The national media jumped on Brady's jock last year because he was putting up unbelievable numbers.. I mean they always were on him, but last year the media was almost as annoying with Tom as they have been with Peyton for years, the attention reminds me of a damn little dog that tries doing things to your leg that just aren't right.
  18. PatsDparty

    PatsDparty Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2004
    Messages:
    307
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Who the hell cares? Why does everyone have to kiss the pats ass every minute. These are two of the best QBs of all time, both possibly top 5 of all time. We're lucky to have one of them on our team, and watch the great duels that have happened over the last 5 years. 90% of writers out there, after this past season, say brady's better, yet people want to talk about the 10% who disagree.

    Sorry for the rant, but every post on this board is always about trivial negatives things, when we have such a great organization, with a very talented upcoming team, and so many positive things to talk about. Even when the pats win a game by 50, someone finds something negative to talk about.
  19. TommyBrady12

    TommyBrady12 Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2008
    Messages:
    3,329
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -1

    IMO peyton can be the best quarterback of all time for all I care. I would rather Brady take home 3 or 4 more super bowls.
  20. Double G

    Double G Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2004
    Messages:
    2,271
    Likes Received:
    5
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    As far as comparing the two, I thought they were dead even going into last season. Manning had finally gotten the 10,000 pound gorilla off of his back, lead the comeback vs the Patriots in the AFC Championship game and on to the Super Bowl. Thought he had finally relaxed and learned how to win.

    Then last year, Brady finally had quality weapons and was off the charts, while Manning couldn't pull out the game at home vs the Patriots, fumbling on the final drive and then lost to a depleted San Diego team at home in the playoffs.

    Advantage; Tom Brady..............
  21. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,448
    Likes Received:
    69
    Ratings:
    +92 / 1 / -2

    #24 Jersey

    Who cares about who is better or who is worse? Guys, we're living in a time when we have the privelege of watching two of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game guide each other's teams who have been the best two teams of the decade against each other year in and year out. Brady/Manning or Pats/Colts... who cares? It's the rivalry of the ages. Just sit back and enjoy it.

    By the way: Brady's better. :D
  22. NEPatriot

    NEPatriot Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2004
    Messages:
    7,839
    Likes Received:
    11
    Ratings:
    +11 / 0 / -0

    Tom is better than Peyton. Everybody knows it.
  23. stevedogc

    stevedogc Rookie

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2005
    Messages:
    817
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    DOnt forget that Manning has always had a much grreater running game and threat of a running game then Brady has had. Look at the RB's each has had. Antowain Smith, Corey Dillon and Laurence Maroney vs. MArshall Faulk, Edgerrain James and Joe Addai. Smith was servicable and Dillon had 1 great year. Faulk was one of the all time greats ,although I think he got better when he went to the Rams and James was a top 5 back in the NFL when he was with the Colts. And between Addai and Maroney I'd give the advantage to Addai so far in their short careers.
  24. BradyToMoss

    BradyToMoss Guest

    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Billy Volek beat Peyton Manning/The Referees (as usual) and Bill Polian in the playoffs at the RCA Dome, what more do people need ?
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 2, 2008
  25. Double G

    Double G Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2004
    Messages:
    2,271
    Likes Received:
    5
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    "Billy Volek beat Peyton Manning"

    All world QB's don't lose playoff games at home to ham and egger QB's, there's no debating that. Dolts fans can throw all the stats in the world at me, you gotta walk the walk and talk the talk when the money is on the table.

    Dolt fans are tickled to death with their grand total of one Super Bowl win under the leadership of Manning; they should have AT LEAST two more if he was a money QB......................
  26. NEPatriot

    NEPatriot Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2004
    Messages:
    7,839
    Likes Received:
    11
    Ratings:
    +11 / 0 / -0

    i can't wait for the show down between the two this Nov. I think we are going to win more than 3 pts this time.
  27. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,448
    Likes Received:
    69
    Ratings:
    +92 / 1 / -2

    #24 Jersey

    Me too. I'm in the minority, but I think the Colts are fading.
  28. kolbitr

    kolbitr Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2006
    Messages:
    653
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0


    It is hard for me to believe that anyone still thinks Brady is being underrated at this stage in his career. Who is doing this "rating" anyway? Sports pundits? The Ă¼ber-wankers on ESPN? Very little actual thinking ever takes place between those guys' ears...

    Brady is considered clutch, highly-skilled, and, frankly, is adulated as one of the most perfect and most envied SOBs to ever walk the earth. His name is always mentioned in discussions of all-timers, and he's only 30. And the same people love Peyton's game, too. That sounds okay to me.
  29. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2006
    Messages:
    25,448
    Likes Received:
    69
    Ratings:
    +92 / 1 / -2

    #24 Jersey

    You can also make the argument that AV wouldn't have been in the position to make game winning FGs if not for Brady.
  30. I Am DUNGY

    I Am DUNGY Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2008
    Messages:
    46
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Peyton is the better QB without a doubt.

    Tom has had more complete teams around him, and one hell of a kicker who carried him to atleast 2 of those championships. Peyton has more yards, more yardsper attempt, is way ahead in overall touchdowns, overall yards, 3,000 yard passing seasons (Tom just had his first, maybe second, Manning has more than 5)

    He has more control of his offense than Tom, and he is from a football dynasty, even though they are close Peyton is still number one until Brady has more than one Peyton-like season. It took Brady to have the most productive offenses of all time, a offense that ran up the score and attempted 4th downs regularly, and had more than 50 more attempts, and he only beat Peytons TD record by 1, oh and Peyton sat out the last game
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2008
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page