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    In my opinion, casino's don't belong in nice towns. And Foxboro is a very nice town...so good for them they voted it down.

    As if Mr Kraft needs more money anyway.

    Maybe now we'll get one in my town. We vote June 9th.
     
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    People in Foxboro can't be capitalists?:confused: Just sayin PR
     
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    Don't casinos create jobs? Aren't people like Mr. Kraft the look-to small business-creating saviors of the middle class? Or should he, like all the other filthy rich people, simply put his money safely in some off-shore account and let the middle class figure out why they can't find work anymore?
     
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    Mo money = mo problems

    At first, I wanted casinos everywhere. Tax revenue for the state without mandatory taxation. But as I've done more thinking on the topic... whenever you have a lot of money floating around you attract unsavory folks -- mostly at the top (lobbyists, consultants, etc.)
     
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    From an infrastructure standpoint, voting down a Casino was the right thing. Route 1 can't handle the traffic it gets now. Mornings its a parking lot at multiple spots on my way to work and anyone who goes to games at Gillette knows what it looks like on gameday.

    On the other hand, I do think there is a stigma placed on casinos that they somehow would transform any area they come to into 1960s Vegas; that they somehow bring in tons of undesirable ancillary types; drugs, prostitutes etc etc etc. The casinos I have been to (AZ, Vegas, Foxwoods etc) seem to show a different reality than what it may have been years ago.

    I think Wynn and Kraft would have been able to make "sweet music" with a casino, its just that Foxboro, in this viewers opinion, is lacking the infrastructure to handle increased traffic while maintaining its ability to function as a town.

    I do always get a chuckle when my wife and I are driving through Foxboro and see all the signs in the front yards with the campaign slogan from the opposition to it; "casiNO".

    There is one I love specifically...someone who lives up on the hill on Beach St made their own sign in their garage to show their disapproval. Huge plywood sign painted with the slogan....only they went with "cosinNO"

    I'm all for personal opinions on any matter, but when you oppose something, and can't spell it correctly, makes me wonder if you had the acumen to weigh the pros and cons of what you are railing against :)
     
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    It's a MEH for me ... could care less either way.
    If Mass wants a casino I would say it belongs in Boston somewhere but again could care less.
     
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    no......I don't feel bad at all........maybe kraft should try to build a casino where he lives
     
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    I think that's an old-wive's tale. When I lived in Indiana they got river boat casinos - on Lake Michigan. 4 of them - all in depressed areas. Gary, Hammond and East Chicago. Within a few years there were nice hotels, good upper scale restaurants, a few small businesses and the surrounding roads and expressways were absolutely transformed. If there were drugs there, or prostitutes, I'd never noticed. Both of those things always existed in those particular areas and, if anything, I say that due to the high traffic, increased police presence and better lighting they decreased rather than increased. Plus there were thousands of jobs added. Maybe tens of thousands, all told.

    I've been to the casino in Charlestown, WV and it seems to be the same story. Rather poor farming community - and now there's several miles worth of nice hotels, restaurants, strip malls, gas stations, fast food places, etc. that weren't there before.

    Same thing in Delaware.
     
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    I am agreeing with you Mrs (that was my point - that casinos DON'T bring those things with them).

    Nevertheless this topic has been covered quite a bit up here (news both tv and internet) and you would be surprised how many people have the "it will bring drugs and hookers" as their main gripe.

    Traffic, losing the "small town feel", too busy, not a favorable deal for the town. Those are all points I could at least say "ya, I see the point to your objection".

    "Drugs and Hookers"....borders on hyperbole.
     
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    in that case, it sounds to me like he needs to build it in brockton. or central falls.
     
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    Hahaha...would you go?
     
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    no.......but I wouldn't go to the casino if it was in foxboro, either......

    it's vegas or bust for me
     
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    I agree with you on that one. Vegas is awesome (not just for the casinos).

    I will say though, the one smart move the MA state legislature did was to lift the ban that would have precluded casinos from having free drinks.

    Who the hell would go to a casino that you have to pay for your drinks?? Talk about a pricey night:eek:
     
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    Obviously you have never taken the bus tour of Central Falls ... :p
     
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    IF Kraft did get that Casino, it would probably would have been a huge income generator and a very classy place..

    Consider Foxwoods in the middle of nowhere or Mohegan Sun, who do very well... imagine a comparable faciliity in an easy to reach location??

    OTOH RI gambles on an ex-pitcher making millions from his video company, flush twice when you are here..
     
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    in that case, he should put it next to his house in brookline
     
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    No, I havent. However I used to play softball in Prospect Heights in Providence.

    Lovely part of town that is....;)
     
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    I think the people of Foxboro are idiots for turning away so much free money but no, I don't "feel bad" Kraft lost this battle. Although I think people who say Foxboro doesn't have the infrastructure in place are mistake. If Route 2A in Ledyard, Connecticut, can handle the Foxwoods traffic, which it does, then Route 1 in Foxboro would work just as well if not better.
     
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    I agree.

    Although, not on the Kraft part. I hope he builds something very nice for everyone involved on that property across the street. Our society (and Foxboro) benefits greatly from people like him making more money (as opposed to the Dan Snyders or Frank and Jamie McCourts of this world).

    And, my apologies to the nice people of Foxboro, but Patriot Place is an oasis in a desert out there.

    That being said, the casino in Foxboro idea was a bad one from the get go. Given that, under the current casino-zone rules, Eastern Massachusetts is slotted for ONE casino, Suffolk Downs is by far the perfect place to put it - - not way out off of a highway exit ramp. Something like that already exists nearby at Foxwoods. Who needs another Foxwoods in the area.

    Suffolks Downs offers something completely different close to a major city and public transportation. Plus, it is near one of the most misused and under-capitalized natural gems in Massachusetts - - the longest public beach in America. Revere Beach and its promenade used to rival Coney Island and Atlantic City in the first half of the 20th century. Think of the synergy of what could/should happen there if done right. Hell, the horse track is already there!

    Foxboro has the Patriots, Patriot Place and the Dew Drop Donut shop.

    In the meantime, the "Lotteryfication" of our economy and society is something that is not positive. In fact, I would think you would be all over that. The fact that our economy used to rely on manufacturing and revenue from industries that produced technological progress. Casinos are really just a way for states to make money off of the poor and weak. Look at the how the states have clamped onto legalized gambling as the hoped for revenue panacea. It doesn't produce anything. Very troubling.
     
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    I disagree Wolf. Other than sparsely placed homes, what else exists in the area of Foxwoods? Last time I was there I swear I heard the song from Deliverance.

    Foxboro, and most of Rt 1 for that matter, is a relatively large and busy thoroughfare, which has a pretty decent amount of traffic even without a Casino.

    Now I am not saying that with a Casino traffic would be like it is for Pats games or a concert at Gillette. But it would certainly increase it.

    Try taking route 1 in the morning from the 95 off ramp in Sharon to Legacy Place in Dedham. The road isnt big enough to take the traffic it has now (the light at University Ave and Rt 1 in Norwood/Westwood is a perfect example).
     

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