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    This most likely reflects what people are culturally, not that they are strict adherents of those faiths.
     
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    i agree.....but how is that relevant to the original question......since the cultural ones are probably agnostic or atheist or just don't care and would meet the same fate of someone with a different religion
     
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    The only way to get to heaven is to be born to the right faith and believe in christ. You could be a great person and worthy of getting into heaven, but if you don't believe you will be rejected. In fact if you commit a bad act, but then repent, you are probably in heaven.

    But the problem with heaven is that it's overpopulated. We're talking thousands of years, we currently have 7 Billion people. I was reading online and it says worldwide there are 55,000 people that die every year. If lets say 10% make it in, that's a lot of people.
     
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    The original question was serious? Sorry, it seems like "snark". If you would like to have a serious discussion about the philosophy of religion, what can be known and what cannot then I am game.
     
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    on a serious note.....im a non believer even though i was raised Christian-protestant....technically, i suppose i am a strong agnostic.....i dont think its possible to know with certainty what happens after one dies and i dont even think its possible to know with certainty much of anything in life.....i think the woman who claimed to be my mother, was in fact my mother, but i cant be 100% certain....

    i find the idea that an all loving all powerful entity created all of us in his own likeness and then gave us "free will" to see who will follow his word and worship him, and then banish the nonbelievers to eternal damnation to be patently absurd

    i think that intelligent design is essentially a cop out because religious leaders realize that fighting science is a losing battle, so they have decided to co-opt some of it

    just my opinion
     
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    Well, things like who your mother is can actually be determined. That's really the kind of unanswerable question I am alluding to.

    Well, I think your characterization is a little off. If God created a beings who by design loved Him, would that actually be love? The point of free will is that it is required to for actual love.

    ID didn't come from religious leaders. It came from religious scientists.

    Watch this talk by an Oxford Professor of Mathematics for a good explanation:

    http://johnlennox.org/jresources/do-the-laws-of-physics-make-god-unnecessary/
     
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    1. do you take the bible literally ?
    2. how old do you think the universe is?
    3. do you believe in evolution? (specifically ape to human evolution)
    4 do you believe that the overwhelming majority of people who have died are in hell?
     
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    Yes and no.

    About 6 billion years.

    The process of evolution can be and has been observed. I do not believe that process can explain the complexity of all life.

    No, not yet. I believe that the majority of people who have died will likely spend eternity separated from God (as they apparently wished).
     
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    what do you mean by yes and no
     
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    I don't take individual passages literally outside of their context, so you won't see me stoning any witches.
     
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    B5, did you pick 6 billion years based on some specific theory? Serious question. The usual number is somewhere around 14 billion years for the universe, but I don't know whether you think that this number is wrong or were just expressing "the length of time the science guys say not the religion guys." That said, there might be some science guys who say 6 billion, which is why I ask.
     
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    To James, on the main point - I don't believe in life after death at present. I hope and occasionally pray it's there, and when I pray that, I pray I'll be acceptable. The religion I was raised in says there's a life to come, but does not have heaven and hell like Christianity. Basically you dwell with God. If you're really bad, you might have to detour to just dead for up to a year. We don't know what the life to come is like specifically.

    I think I am likely to believe in it more strongly as I come closer to death.

    It's also the case that my brain has processed enough input leading me to believe that hair shouldn't grow in women's pits and on their legs that they're not sexy to me unless those areas appear not to have any ability to grow hair. ::shrug::

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    What would you believe if you knew that you had 24 hours to live?
     
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    Because it is getting pretty drafty upstairs. Yeah 14 billion.
     
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    I think, as compared to the present, observing my beliefs over time as I went from youth to middle age and extrapolating from the certainty of death, that in the scenario you describe I am very likely to believe in an afterlife. I do not think I will be closer, by any objective measure, to knowing whether that belief is valid. That is also the case now as compared with previous periods of my life.

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    Okay as I said wasn't calling you out, just thought there might be an eddy of "young-old universe" theory. 14 billion. Damn that's a long time. That's longer than all the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit movies put together. Doesn't seem it, but it is...
     
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    Fair enough......so how will you feel facing this aftelife? Knowing that you will die in 24 hours and that there is an aftelife, how will this affect that last 24 hours of your life and how will you feel about your prosepcts in the afterlife?
     
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    RIP, I think I'll be accepting of it, with a great dash of fear, if I'm lucidly consciously focusing on it.
    For the sake of your question, it would be handy to have a greater range to choose from among whom I've personally known in that position. Of those even close to knowing they're within the 24-hour window, my observation has been of those who are significantly compromised either by their disease or by the drugs meant to keep them relatively comfortable.

    I think it's much more important to think about what one adds to - or subtracts from - the lives of others while one is still alive, than to dwell on one's final 24 hours, 1 hour, or 1 minute.

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    Let's assume you are lucid and drug free.

    What do you think your fate will be in the afterlife?
     
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