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  1. Patters

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    http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-02262006-618484.html

    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency won't oppose the U.S. Department of Defense and DuPont Co.'s plan to dump a wastewater byproduct of a deadly nerve agent into the Delaware River.

    The agency said it's assured of a safe treatment for up to 4 million gallons of caustic wastewater created in the treatment for VX, a chemical weapon with a pinhead-size potency to kill a human. DuPont is treating VX for disposal at its Newport Chemical Depot in Indiana.

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    "EPA believes that all of our previously identified ecological concerns have been resolved," said Walter Mugdan, director of the agency's Environmental Planning and Protection division in New York, in a letter released Friday to CNN and obtained by The News Journal in Wilmington, Del.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Never Have, Never Will, regardless of who's in power. You have to be crooked to get elected, and morally bankrupt to stay there.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Sure I trust it. I trust anyone who trusts DuPont and the DOD to safely dispose of chemical weapons material...SURE ! LMFAO !
    After all, the good thing about government is its transparency, right?
     
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    I think that means half the people who participate in this forum are qualified to run for office! (I won't say which half.)
     
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    I trust our system to be self-correcting over the long haul; but it better get started on correcting the mess we're in very soon or I may begin to loose faith.
     
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    #37 Jersey

    If you are talking about the federal government I agree with you 100%, considering 99% of time your vote comes down to the lesser of 2 evils.
     
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    Just another example of better living through chemistry. Sorta like Al Gore.

    I distrust the government on every level.
     
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    So you don't trust the troops?
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Well, I wouldn't say just the feds. I don't think there's too many men and women above state rep level that are honorable or ethical.
     
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    So, I gather you think that democracy is a failure in this regard, at least American democracy. Why do you think American democracy puts in people who are neither honorable or ethical? Do you favor election reform? Do you disagree with the conservative courts that have largely blocked it?

    My view is that our reps are pretty much a reflection of our nation. Some are honest, some are not. Some are smart, some are not. Certainly many of them have given up more lucrative opportunities to serve, and for that they deserve some credit. I'm not trying to single out one party or another here, because I think each party is fairly equal in terms of the ratio of good, honest reps to bad ones.
     
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    I'm not as cynical as some but I do not 'trust' the govt per se at any level. I've been personally and directly involved with govt starting at the town level thru congress, US Senate and presidential candidate campaigns. The last pols I knew who were honest and in it for society, not themselves, one is dead and McGovern is still alive.
    Perhaps 'Trust But Verify' is a pragmatic positive approach.
     
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    I didn't say that. I said the government that directs the troops, either from the left or the right has proven itself to be untrustworthy, at all levels.
     
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    I worked with the State until retirement, what I saw appalled me too much waste, nepotism and general BS. I realized after a while, despite my idealism, all we did was perpetuate the system, not make anything better or different.

    I suspect that on a Macro level things are pretty much the same, my bro in law works in the pentagon and feels very similar.

    DO I trust the Gov't? The answer has to be no as I look at everything with a very healthy dose of skepticism, everything done has an alterior motive.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    When 90% of Senators and Reps are lawyers (I'm guessing on the exact %, but it's real close) we have a real problem. These goofs aren't John Quincy Adams.
    There will be no election reform without a Constitutional Ammendment. It's the only chance to circumvent the courts and Congress, as they're all in the same club and they'd lose too much if CFR is passed, so it won't be.

    This is a Republicrat thing. Pigs at the trough can't control themselves. This is the one thing that crosses party lines all the way. PACs have to be illiminated, whether they're your PACs or not.
     
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    Hahahahahahaha...you crack me up kid. If you really knew how completely phucked this WORLD is (starting from Rome on down the line)...nevertheless this country -- it would take me a great while to inform.

    Bottom line is...I DON"T trust ANYTHING this country does. It has nothing to with political parties either. It is WAY beyond that. The no-trust goes well beyond this country as well.

    This country = a dead man walking. Our better days are behind us.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Because the people who crave that much power to begin with are morally flexible, and they need to get into bed with some people with fat briefcases and long memories to get elected. I think Jimmy Carter is an honorable man, and I think his presidency indicated that honorable is the way to looking bad in the history books.

    If I thought election reform would work, I'd be all for it. The necessary changes would be so radical that neither party would be for it.
     
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    Sure you can trust the government, just ask any Native American.
     
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    #37 Jersey

    I believe 65 of the 100 senators are lawyers.

    Interesting read here
    http://www.thedailystar.com/news/stories/2001/08/25/const.html

    Here is another example of why we have career politicians
    http://www.gobob.org/career-politicians.htm
     
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    I'd agree that Carter is most likely an honorable man. The fact that he's a complete idiot kinda negates the good side though.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Complete Idiot? I strongly disagree. Strongly.
     

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