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    My guess is most people trust shows like 60 Minutes and Dateline. But are they really trust worthy just because they're "Investigative Reporters"?

    I'd even say I prolly trust them for the most part.

    So tonight's Dateline NBC will feature some negative news on the vitamin supplement industry. That's the industry that employs me. So yeah, I'm pretty interested in what they'll say.

    I'd like to discuss this with anyone who catches tonight's show later tonight or tomorrow. I'd like to get feedback from both vitamin users and non-users.

    The Council for Responsible Nutrition has already sent NBC their response below:

    "By law, every single bottle of dietary supplments sold should contain what is on the label. More than 150 million Americans take dietary supplments each year as part of their health regimens with little evidence of widespread adulteration or contamination of ingredients. We take seriously the allegations of fraudulent laboratory practices raise by this report, and urge FDA to use its ample legal authority to take legal action against the companies involved. Meanwhile, consumers should buy brands from companies they know and trust."

    Steve Mister, President & CEO
    Council for Responsible Nurtrition

    Inside Dateline - Supplement companies, orgs respond to Dateline NBC
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    This is the show that rigged side-mounted gas tanks with explosives and caused them to explode while telling us all we were watching was a regular car crash.

    I can only imagine the liberal outrage if Fox News ever did such a thing.
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    I trust them to try and make money. I don't put them in the same category as 60 minutes.
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    I think they're good shows, but then again I think that most professionals in any field try hard to do an honest job. That said, I've not been impressed with research on vitamins, which tend to make big claims based on limited studies. Nonetheless, about 20 years ago I had a 90 year old uncle who sold vitamins in Miami. When the city passed a law requiring him to get licensed (or registered), he went before the panel, whose members were so impressed with his vitality that almost all of them ordered vitamins from him. So, my memories of him sort of convince me that there is something to vitamins! I try to take a multivitamin every day, and I think it gives me a little bit of a lift.
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    Turns out the show wasn't too negative on the vitamin industry and focused on products that really aren't part of the vitamin industry....namely Diet supplements. Diet products are not included or merchandised with vitamin products because they are 2 different industries.

    People who want to take a lot of vitamins are responsible to educate themselves on the danger of over consuming them. That's not the govt's job. More isn't necessarily better and if you take a lot of vitamins, you are responsible for knowing the pro's and con's. Just like taking an assortment of cough medicines.
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    Just out of curiousity, and not trying to start a fight or anything, but who is going to educate people if not the government?

    Is the industy itself going to do it? (Not just regarding vitamins but also things like asbestos, cigarettes, red meat, alcohol, etc..)

    Where is legitimate research and information going to come from? Scientists? Sure, but aren't many (if not most) of them sponsored or given grants by the government?

    Independent researchers? Maybe - but they're going to be subject to being bought and paid for by the industries they are researching, aren't they? Where are they going to get their funding - if not from groups either trying to promote or condemn the product in question. Even if they're not, they're going to be small and underfunded - and their research is going to be compromised by a lack of funds. They're also going to be easy to discredit by the deep pockets of the industry being investigated.

    Who's got a better opportunity of picking up on dangers than the goverment? Who's got access to the kind of nation-wide data needed to track adverse reactions?

    Just curious as to who you think "the people" are supposed to get their education from if you eliminate the government from the equation.
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    The issue is how we test many of these things and the trust placed in private testing groups.. which may have an indirect interest in the product itself.

    Dateline is ok, but as in anything balance is needed and to just trust what anyone says without further inquisition is folly...
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    Don't trust anything that is connected to NBC, they have gone way To Far Left, they are very close to renaming their company to "Obama News Service" they are disgraceful and sickening in their openly and disgusting "Ass Kissing" to this administration.

    PR, don't believe anything they say or do on this Vitamin subject, they will twist lie and slant it to fit their own Socialist Far Left Wing Agenda.
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    #24 Jersey

    Ya hear that, PR? The Knowledgeable One has spoken.

    Don't trust them. They lie.

    The fact that they didn't come down too hard at all on the vitamin industry is a left wing agenda driven plot to convince people that vitamins are relatively safe if taken in proper amounts so that we'll all overdose on Vitamin A and zinc supplements and die a horrible death leavng the world safe for socialism, marxism, communism and Obamaism.

    If we're all smart like Harry we'll throw out all our vitamins and drive the buggers out of business.

    NBC says they're pretty safe and we all know that NBC twists, distorts and lies.
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    I have been using Nature Made For Him vitamins for years look what it has done for me, Jesus Christ, I still climb trees, NBC is full of sh!t, they make me sick to my stomach, how can any decent God Fearing American trust anybody that looks like Matt Lauer (mousey) OBAMA OWNS NBC
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    What part of NBC WAS NOT REALLY NEGATIVE ON VITAMINS are you having trouble understanding, Harry?
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    How about you educate yourself.
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    You don't say, I'll have to think about this for awhile, NBC is a Left Wing Propaganda Tool, I can't even stand listening to their weather report.
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    How about you read what I said?

    Where do you go to get this education? The manufacturer? The research company hired by the manufacturer? The doctors who got their education from the drug rep giving them the free samples? Trial and error? Ask Harry Boy?

    I'm not arguing "educate yourself." I'm asking how do you get the information needed for that education process.
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    This is also what I got out of it... regulation is needed here.
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    As a conservative, I believe that the FDA is a necessary work of the federal government and personally believe it falls under the princple of "regulation of inter-state trade" -- one of the only two purposes of federal government (common defense being the other).

    That said, shouldn't eat berries if you can't tell what plant their from. Same logic applies here. If manufacturer's are intentionally misleading people, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I would think that would weed out most of them.
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    I don't really have strong feelings about this subject one way or the other, but I do think the government's inconsistency in dealing with drugs versus vitamins is hilarious.

    If you are a drug manufacturer, you have to go through a very specific, long and costly process of trials to get your product to market. You have to have demonstrable and clear results of success. There are all sorts of rules regarding how you can advertise your product. Heck, there are even rules regarding what you can name your drug. For example, the name of the drug cannot say or imply what the drug does. If none of us had ever heard of Xanex, Zoloft or Viagra, we wouldn't have any clue what those drugs did based on the name alone (although I did once ask an industry executive how "Flomax" got away with using that name and she thought about it for a minute and replied "That's a damn good question!")

    Meanwhile if you are a vitamin manufacturer, you can pretty much say or do anything you want regarding your product. These ginseng tablets cure cancer! This garlic pill cures Alzheimer's! Take two of these and remain forever young! Yes, the government does sometimes go after patently false claims but with "drugs", the burden of proof is on the manufacturer. With "vitamins" the burden of proof is on the government.
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    I personally don't give a sh!t about vitamins (i take them though) the question PR asked was "do you trust datline NBC" I don't trust ANYTHING connected to NBC.

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