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  1. Kid~Brady

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    I hate to say this but the 3 ONLY losses this year came from a Ryan style defense. I know Brady's had trouble with the Rex style defense in the past but he's been a real thorn in the side this season.

    The Jets have beaten us 2 out of 3 games this season and even his brother's defense has made Brady look bad this past season. I know there were other components in the Cleveland game...(Hillis) but nonetheless, we took another loss to a Ryan style defense.

    What makes their defenses so good against Brady? Any thoughts to this? I'm not trying to be negative but this concerns me a little I guess.
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    The Ryans have Brady's number like BB had Manning's number.

    Their streak is more than just luck, but it will run out even so.
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    I said it last week

    Rex Ryan has taken over Mike Shanahan's spot as far as the past 2 seasons go and has been the one coach Belichick has had problems with for most of the games between the two teams.

    Ryan appears to have outcoached and outsmarted Belichick in all but 2 games and who knows if it continues on?
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    I love the attention span of some fans..Remember 45-3?

    Do people watch entire games or do they just see the final score? Had Crump held on to that pass, the entire flow of the game would have changed.
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    Lol, I remember that game like it was yesterday and I also understand that we "could" have won the last game but really....Brady struggles with their style of defense. It seemed they cracked the code on Dec 6th then the Jets switched it up very methodically. It seems that we'll never really have a grip on the Jets defensive tactics.

    And we can all admit that Jets had a total meltdown that night, that'll probably never happen again. So 45-3 means nothing when we get eliminated by the same team down the line.
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    The 1st two drives on sunday were going good and BB's gameplan was working to perfection...to come away with 3 points was terrible.
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    Its called talent.

    Look at big names on those rex ryan type defenses.

    What can tom do when his o-line plays bad and his receivers are being covered by better defenders?

    Its funny how this wasn't a problem when the pats blow a team out.
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    LOL, hold on to 45-3 all you want, it's all you've got. It means nothing. But, if it helps you get through the day, keep that memory alive.
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    45-3 suggests it's not one-sided, and that the Ryans strain every time they pull it off.

    Hopefully they don't have any more such gameplans in them, especially with BB having an offseason to think it through.
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    Without wanting to overcongratulate the Jets, how do you beat the gameplan that Rex employed Sunday?

    Rush 3 or 4 on 80% of snaps. Man-on-Man with the Cornerbacks. 5 or 6 others in zones across the middle.

    The only time the ball moved on the ground was at the end when they sat even further back in the zones.

    We needed to run the ball early with Benny and we didn't.
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    I think it is OK to give credit where it is due. Like BB will figure out their D, they also some times can figure out our D & O. The point is can we counter this next season.
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    Not really, Brady is like 2-3 vs the ryan jets. And he's like what? 1-5 vs the doncos?
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    First of all football is the ultimate team game. A phrase such as "Ryan has Brady's number" is extremely superficial; it's not like the NFL is a video game where each side is controlling one player and none of the other players has an impact. The Jets game plan had as much to do with the ten other Patriot players on the field as it did Brady.

    Second, I would be hesitant to lump the Cleveland game in with this playoff loss. By all accounts the Patriots had their worst week of practice all year leading up to the game against the Browns, and came out flat. Yes, Cleveland did have a good game plan and I'll give them credit for that, but that loss was just as much on the Pats players themselves.

    Third, if the Ryans had the Pats/Brady's number, how is it possible that the Pats beat them twice the last two years and are split 2-2 in the last four meetings?

    Look, I'm more than willing to give the Jets and Ryan credit for their execution and game plan. But it is a bit of an over reaction to imply they any Ryan coached team has won or will win every time the two sides meet.
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    All of 5 of Bradys INTs this season came vs the Ravens style 3 - 4 defense.

    2 @ Baltimore
    3 @ NY
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    If by having Brady's number you mean the Patriots offense sticks with what is NOT working for 60 minutes then yes they have Brady's number.
    Can't help but wonder how different this offense would react to different defensive schemes with a Charlie Weis coordinating it.
    I put the Jets debacle squarely on the shoulders of Brady and OBrien.
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    1. Run against that swarm of DBs.

    2. Go 3 TE with Welker and Woodhead, and watch Ryan's head explode as he decides which personnel to counter with.
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    The answer is, NO.

    First, we're talking about freakin' Cleveland, when the team mailed it in.

    Second, against the Jets Sunday, the Patriots made three huge mistakes early. They went down 14-3.

    Let me tell you, if the score was say 7-7, the Patriots would have ripped apart that Ryan defense. He was daring them to run, and the Patriots were not patient enough because they were down. They finally figured it out in the 4th quarter, when it was too late. If they stopped the empty backfield BS in the 3rd quarter, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.
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    This is a good topic, and I have a clear opinion on this.
    First, the answer is that no one has anyone's number. Every game is different and what works in one game vs a top player and team won't work the next time.

    However, this is the fatal flaw I see in the Patriots right now.
    The biggest advantage we have against any team we face is that we have Tom Brady and no one else can match that.
    Every team we face makes their top priority trying to come up with a way to stop Tom Brady and the passing offense. This means that we are telling every team they must sell out and take whatever gamble and risk they need to in order to take our best weapon. This makes Bradys job more difficult than any QB in the league.
    What ends up happening is that it is still very difficult to come up with a game plan to stop Brady. Something like 80% of the time or more, it fails, and the gamble that team took results in the highest scoring offense in the league.
    On some occassions the opponent does come up with a great gameplan, and does execute it well.
    Since our passing game is SO successful, in almost every game, then when it starts out slow, the smart thing to do is stick with it.
    This is compounded by the fact that without a defense that we feel confident can win 17-14 games, it is very difficult to risk abandoning what works, running the ball when the defense dictates it and taking the ball out of the hands of the guy who 80% or more of the time will win you the game.

    IMO, BB needs to address this by ramping up the defense, and by committing to the running game.
    We will be a MUCH better offense with Brady throwing 30 passes when half of them came when the defense was worried about stopping the run, than Brady throwing 45 passes into a defense that will sell its soul to stop him.
    On any given play, Brady is the best there is. If you make him be the best there is on every play, you eliminate the opportunity to throw against a defense that is even slightly concerned with something else.
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    And by the way, that is why great passing teams do better in the regular season than in the post-season. A good team can create a scheme to attack your greatest strength and have a chance to execute it well too. In a 3 game postseason the chance of running into that once is pretty good.
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    Maybe you should take over BOBs job and be Belichick's consultant,it appears to me that you think your plan would have won the game :rolleyes:

    Let's be honest here...no matter what the Patriots had devised in that game the Jets D would have countered it and stopped them...the Jets were not going to lose that game,it was in the cards and Ryan beat the Pats game plan with a massive thump.

    Only Sanchez's pathetic passes to the turf instead of wide open receivers kept that game from being a 20+ point win

    Next time it might change and BB and his staff plan and perform better.
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    Bring back a top 5 ranked defense, allowing the Pats O to make mistakes will do wonders for this team. Yea, Rex is 3-2 against the Pats the last two seasons but what kind of teams have we put on the field? First year it was a post-injury Brady and a team clearly in the early stages of rebuilding. Who thought the Patriots would do as well as they did this season? The defense wasn't good even as much as they should sparks at times, they didn't have it. Give us this draft and BB's offseason to work in new schemes, Rex will be 0-2 against the Pats next season (heard it here first)


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    You have difficulties reading, my friend.

    As I said, it was execution that gave them a lead.

    They didn't have a lead, is that what you're arguing?

    Yeah, if I was coach, I'd say, don't throw an interception, don't go for the fake punt, don't drop the ball in the end zone.

    because if you do, the Jets will sit back and not allow you to throw.

    Are you really this dense?

    If the Patriots score 3 on the interception, if Alge catches that, and Chung doesn't have brain cramp, the Patriots are up 10-7 at the half.

    Do you honestly think then the Jets come out and dare the Patriots to run?

    Hell no.

    Look at the 1st quarter when the Patriots weren't playing from behind. how did they move the ball?
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    brady had a 90 rating, 2 tds to 0 ints, and a decent game

    the 3 turnovers by NE that game is the big thing

    losing the turnover battle usually kills
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    They lost recently 45-3. Indicative of having someone's number?

    Rex had a good defensive game plan, based on exploiting his strength (great corners) and the fact we don't have all outstanding WRs and running backs. That doesn't mean our offensive players haven't been effective, it means he could cover two receivers 1 on 1 and gamble on playing more coverage, less against the run.

    Having said that, We still marched down the field with ease on the first two drives, mixing in runs with almost flawless passing. Had we got our 10-14 points, instead of momentum changing blunders, his "number" would have been another 45-3.

    Belichick and the Ryans are all great defensive minds. Give them lots of time or reason (45-3) to study an opponent, they will find something that works. If they're lucky it will turn one game around.

    If this was basketball, BB would come back with a game plan, beat them by twenty and the series would be tied 1-1. but it's not.

    Someone that has your number doesn't get beat 45-3, nor get marched down the field the first two plays. He had a great game plan and the good fortune to have us screw up two drives that would have started another blowout.

    Ratgini probably spent a year on that game plan. What else does he have to do beside wait for the delivery of his Jenny Craig meals?
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    Yes.

    Sanchez and Ryan 3 wins
    Brady and BB 2 wins

    We were 14-3 and Rex Ryan accounts for 66.6% of our losses this season and another first round playoff exit. Pretty safe to say this is trouble for the future, especially with a 34 yo QB undergoing his 2nd surgery in 3 years.
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    Surprise, surprise, look who is back: the Jets fan who masquerades on this forum as a Patriots fan.


    For anyone that doubts me, check the first few pages of this thread:
    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/702271-stopping-jets-offense.html


    Where's Shmessy? I was under the impression that you weren't going to allow AJY to post here anymore unless he apologized to everybody here for fraudulently pretending to be a Patriots fan and admitting the truth - that he is a Jets fan?


    If anybody doubts me, just click on AJY's name and check out the nature and timing of his comments.
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    I don't think they have Brady's number, but Brady does struggle against them. To make life very hard for Brady all you have to do is get a decent pressure up the middle and disguise your coverage
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    I don't remember the Week 2 game very clearly, but in this last loss against the Jets, we were moving the ball very well in the first two drives against their defense. Ryan and his staff made the correct adjustments and took away the middle of the field with 4-5 zone players and let Revis/Cromartie take on the receivers outside essentially man-to-man.

    The best way to attack these soft zones (Cover 2/Cover 3) is to run the ball in between the tackles. This is something the Patriots coaches did not realize or didn't want to do until too late in the game. Like AndyJohnson posted earlier, it's hard for coaches to take the ball out of their best offensive player's hands (Brady) and give it to BJGE or Woodhead. But this is something that needs to be done to win games - especially in a playoff atmosphere.

    The Jets and the 'Rex Ryan' defense is known for various blitz schemes and getting after the QB. However, Ryan speculated correctly that the best way to stop the Patriots offense is to completely take away the intermediate passing game and the middle of the field. He did this, in spite of his typical blitzing philosophy. I don't say this often (no one says this often), but the Patriots were flat-out out-coached. Never mind the INT, dropped TD, and botched fake-punt; a 14-3 score at half-time is not overwhelming. The Patriots made their adjustments too late.
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    Yeah, you answered your own question there one way. Another way is to do the plays we had success with on the first two drives. They were awesome - and produced 3 points. Then there was the 4th quarter scoring drive that as much as you want to say 'garbage time' included an uncoverable TD to Branch.
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    Or in #2 sub in Edelman for Algernon.
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