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    Hey everyone. I'm a big football fan in general & I'm going to each team's website to learn a little more about them. I'm looking at your Patriots, and you guys are 2nd in scoring offense, 1st in total yards, 3rd in scoring defense & 1st in defensive yards. You guys will also be getting Rodney Harrison back after this week!

    So my question to you guys, is this the best Patriots team you've ever seen? Are there ANY weaknesses and/or concerns you have? You have 2 tough road games at Dallas & at Indy, but I'd say the possibility to go 19-0 is extremely high.
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    Thanks Randy.

    Our biggest weakness is the fact that you should be studying Bengals game tape right now rather than chatting with low-lifes like us.

    You best not be slipping again..... Get outta here ya knucklehead!:singing:
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    I don't know about weaknesses (kicking/punting?) but this team might suffer from too much high expectations, especially if they continue spanking teams into oblivion week after week. The media has a way of building teams up just to see a team falter.
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    Glare.

    By my calculation, the sun will be right behind the Bengals bench this week requiring some pretty powerful filters.
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    The kicking game os untested, though the kickoffs have been excellent.

    That is about all.
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    So Mr Mangini, you've changed your name to Randy Moss and joined a Pats fans forum to try to figure out how to beat us. Isn't that special?! LOL!!
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    secondary is untested. Every team has some weakness and as the season goes we will know more.even the colts now dont seem have much weakness and they play in a tougher division. let it play out before we can answer these questions.
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    Red-zone defense stands out - we've allowed 5 TD's in 5 opportunities.

    Field goal unit hasn't been perfect.

    As another poster mentioned, the secondary is a question mark until we face a solid QB and decent receivers (which we will Monday). Opponents haven't tried to burn us deep - I'm betting that Cincy will try A LOT.
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    Well, the chance of winning any one game is high. Sadly, that doesn't mean the chance of 19-0 is high.

    Right now, the biggest weakness seems to of course be red zone defense.

    Also, the Pats defense (not as much so far this season) is often vulnerable to methodical drives that get the ball INTO FG range.
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    Well, each of the Patriots' opponents managed at least one good drive when they seemed to get into a rhythm and the Patriots couldn't stop them. The Jets had Chad Pennington throwing varied short passes using Cotchery and Coles, the Chargers completed a lot of passes to Gates, while the Bills relied heavily on the energy and elusiveness of Marshawn Lynch. It's true that the Patriots soon adjusted, but a team with an excellent short passing game and a dynamic and hard-to-tackle running back (Indianapolis?) could prove difficult.
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    ......Punting.....Endzone celebrations are starting to look the same too week in and week out.
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    Except an overrated defense that will completely go into the tank as soon as Bob Sanders gets hurt. That's all.
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    I love how everyone believes 19-0 is likely/probably just because we are better than any of our opponents. It is simply not the case. I'll relate to poker as to why.

    The Pats have to play 16 games during the regular season. Some of those games will be against tough teams where we might have no more than an estimated 60% chance of winning. There is a chance (probability) that we will lose any given sunday. No game is 100%.

    Now lets compare this to poker. In a large poker tournament you will get AA (the best starting hand possible) several - many times. If you put in all your money (win or lose situation, like football) everytime you get AA your odds of winning EVERY time will decrease. This is NOT to say that after surviving 5 AA, you will have less chance of winning the next time you get it, its collective. This is that your odds of winning all of those AA hands (total) will decrease.

    Now say, for simplicity, that you face KK (against your AA) everytime. You have a 81.26% chance of winning (preflop). Now after 4 times you get this situation, you have less than a 50% chance of surviving all 4 (43.59%). By the 10th time you would be down to a 12.55% chance of surviving all 10 "confrontations"

    Now football isn't quite as black and white, but there are still odds and numbers in the game, as in everything. It is HUGELY statistically improbable that ANY team, no matter how good, would win all 16 games. Is it possible? Of course. But probably? No. Even slightly probably? Absolutely not.
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    Yes, this is the best Patriots team I've ever seen, by a pretty good margin. In fact, it has the potential to be the best football team I've ever seen in the NFL. To me, the 85 Bears were the best in my days watching the NFL. I need to see some serious defense from the Patriots to be talked about in those terms, but it's possible.

    No, I don't see any real weakness. I see areas that aren't strengths like others, but I don't see any weaknesses.

    I think, unlike some others, it's fun to talk about an undefeated season while the possibility still exists, and the Patriots are good enough to pull it off. But, obviously, the chances aren't great that they will. Those Bears didn't win them all, either. There's some luck involved even for the best teams.

    disclaimer: it's still early, and favorable matchups in the first three games could be making a really, *really* good team look like an historically great team. They still haven't faced a team with a top-flight combo of QB and receivers. We'll know more Monday night.
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    injuries can happen to any team but that defense is built to play from a lead.
    I felt that when we defended the SB against the eagles, everyone was picking indy which was odd because we were on a winning streak. Now exactly the opposite is happening where everyone thinks we are the best and indy is being overlooked esp by media and some pats fans.
    Our offense is great but its been this dynamic for the last 3 games. Indy's offense has been like this for years now so their defense knows day in day out they off is going to deliver.We have see more of our offense before comparing them with the colts. Thats just my opinion.
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    In terms of what the Pats need to improve in order of importance:

    Improve on takaways, we have been good on not turning the ball over but the Pats are only +1. THe D needs to generate more TOs.

    Red Zone D, much discussed here only 5 trips into the Red Zonce by the opposition, but 5 TDs allowed, this needs to improve. THis teams has been above average in Red Zone D in years past and needs to return to that level of performance (while limiting opponents opportunities of course ;) ,)

    The punting could be better, suprised that we haven't been loooking at punters.

    FG, Ghost has been great on KOs but shaky with his FGs, this happened last year and he settled down and was rock solid in the POs. I wonde5r if this has to do in part with the holders this year?


    To date this looks like it has the potntial to be the best Pats team, check back in Feb and see if we're better than 17-2, if we are it will be the the best Pats team ever.
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    I've noticed the Patriots will play a lot of man to man with the WR's but tend to play zone with the TE's. Basically shadowing the TE's with LB's for 7-10 yards then letting the Safety's pick them up. I think this is the reason that quick TE's like Gates and Dallas Clark have success against us. (Our LB's the past few years were much better at the run than in pass coverage). But with Colvin (outside) and Thomas (over the middle) I think we are going to be picking up the coverage a lot better this year.

    Other than that, our secondary has not been asked to do much yet. We will find out how good they are as a unit Monday....but I would say that at this point the Patriots really have no weaknesses.

    As for the red zone defense????? 5 trips in 3 games? Thats an average of 1.67 trips in the red zone a game......I hope we can keep up that kind of defense going.
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    Very nice analysis on the TE coverage. Thanks, FPF. I think you're right about the outside corners not being as pressured since they've faced QBs who either don't have the deep WRs or don't specialize in accurate deep passing. OTOH, the safeties have been challenged by good TEs (Gates, Jets) and by tough, elusive WRs (Jets) who are good at YAC.

    On Mike the Brit's point, that each opponent has managed to generate a good long drive, there's a reasonable counterpoint. Assuming opponents will score 14 pts on average on a league-leading defense, those points have to come from somewhere. What we've seen is a tendency for the D to let up the pressure at some point during each game. It's come from poor coverage on short passes, execrable tackling (the Bills/Lynch TD drive), and temporary lack of QB pressure.

    Alternative ways for the opponent to score: poor ST's coverage, offensive turnovers leading to quick points, long plays leading to quick points, consistent struggling to get off the field on 3rd down, consistent inability to stop the run, consistent lack of pressure on the QB.

    Given all the alternatives, and with a D that shows the ability to step up the pressure and force turnovers, sacks and 3-and-outs when necessary, I'll happily take a temporary let-up in pressure. I'm not seeing a deep-seated underlying problem. But it's early yet for any team to show its flaws and they may still be there.

    I just have that feeling about this team that if the offense wasn't scoring 38 pts, the D would tighten the clamps.
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    Thanks PF37. I agree with your assesment as well....

    But if I were an OC going against this defense I might want to try going with a lot of short passes to keep the Pats from blitzing as well. This would probably shorten up the secondary and then you could try to go for a long one.

    With Chad Johnson and Housh, Palmer has the kind of recievers to work this kind of gameplan.

    However, I'm sure BB has already thought of this.

    Either way, I keep getting this feeling that the Patriots (in a nationally televised game), are going to blow out the Bengals. A lot of people are going to watch the game tomorrow night to see for themselves just how good these Patriots are. And they won't be disappointed.
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    Bigdgp, the poker analogy wasn't that the odds of each singular event would change. Each event is independent, thus the odds are always the same. But I was discussing the odds of winning multiple events. That is collective. The more events you face, the less likely it is that you will survive them. Just think of it this way. With AA vs KK, you are 81.26% to win. That means you will win just over 4 out of every 5 times you get that hand. That means the more times you have that event, the less likely it is that you will have survived them ALL. (Its the whole idea that you still need a ton of luck to win a big tournament) It has nothing to do with singular events; it's the sum.

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