Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Ric_Flair, Sep 24, 2012.
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There you go boys and girls.
That's inconclusive. It probably went over it. It might've been wide. We'd only know if there was a camera on the post.
Or if there was a stripper on the pole
the only thing more rage inducing then the Refs calling that kick good, is trying to explain why I'm pissed, the nose of the ball was outside of the inside of the pole, thus a missed field goal.
That angle doesn't show anything new. Look it was a tough call. It was too high to go between the uprights and if it was wide right, it was wide right by inches. None of the replays will show anything new, because you can't tell when the ball is in front of the uprights and when it is behind them.
The refs mind some mind blowing calls and non-calls in that game, but the FG wasn't one of them. Anyone who can watch the replay and knows for sure if that was wide right is kidding themselves
Or we saw the pole cam. The one they always replay the kick with afterward.
It looks wide right to me but of course I'm biased.
looks wide from there. Probably not the most conclusive of positions though.
You can't gauge when the ball grosses the plane from that POV behind the goalposts by a considerable distance. Refs were underneath the goal posts and had the best vantage point on the field and both immediately signaled good.
Obviously its not conclusive, I'm trying to judge the distance of the cross bar in relation to the ball and at the moment where they appear to be the same distance the ball definitely is over the upright with the nose wide right. Still say he missed it but theres no way we get that call in Baltimore with those fans screaming bloody murder
We already determined earlier in the game that the refs are clearly blind
Even the broadcast did not have a good angle. You can't deny the ref is under the best possible position to see the kick. It's quite simple...if he sees part the ball outside the upright, looking up the side of the upright, it's no good. If he doesn't, it's good. The ref was in position, period.
If the pole was taller, that would have bounced off.
Regardless, does anyone here at all find it strange that the network shot where they always show from the crossbar camera after a field goal wasn't shown?
They only showed the straight on shot from behind the kicker.
Where is that shot? Do you for ANY minute think after that travesty the home office would have called down to the field telling them to reverse it?
Not a chance.
That video is torched.
I think only Stevie Wonder would think that was inconclusive. Nowhere in that video does that ball go between the goal posts. That video just makes it even more obvious. I may be bitter about it, but that video show's the truth.
Speaking of which, is the ref even looking up at that point. Presumably, the ball is crossing over at the point where it you can see it above the goal posts. At this angle, granted not a perfect one, it looks like it is outside, but more importantly it looks like the ref is no longer looking up. I don't think he even watched it beyond the initial trajectory and then looked over to the other ref before making the call.
Until I see something that says otherwise I will believe that was no good.
"i think he missed"
"he definitely missed"
Glad we agree on something.
It wasn't good. Hopefully the replacement officials don't cost the Pats the playoff seed they deserve. Ridiculous.
Reasons that this is conclusive:
The rule per Mike Pereira: The entire ball must pass inside the outside edge of the upright.
In the frame preceding 1, the ball is obscured by the goal post. This leads me to believe that at 1, the ball has not yet passed the goal post.
In 1, part of the ball is not within the outside edge of the upright from this perspective. This is the BEFORE shot.
Because of issues with perspective, we need at least one additional shot AFTER the ball goes past the uprights in which part of the ball is not within the outside edge of the upright.
In every frame after 1, the ball is outside of the upright, so the preceding statement is satisfied.
CONCLUSION: At every point before and after the ball crossed the goal posts, some part of the ball is outside of the uprights. Therefore, even though we cannot tell exactly when the ball passes over the goal posts, we can say conclusively that part of the ball is beyond the outside edge of the uprights at whatever point that it does pass over.
By the rules of the NFL, the kick was no good, and the Patriots won the game.
They could easily install aligned lasers on the edge of the posts, if the ball breaks the laser beam, it sets off a red light = NO GOOD.
OMG with the Zapruder film breakdown. The cellphone camera used here is not directly in the middle, and you can't tell where the ball is due to to placement of the camera. Sorry, this is in no way conclusive. Nice job on the breakdown, but it's not conclusive.
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