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    #24 Jersey

    It'll be Bush's fault when they don't get high paying jobs when they drop out.
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    You are dumb like a fox harry, this is about races not getting along not about racism.. not sure what liberals think, but this american thinks it is about stuff that has happened for a long time in american history.. and will probably continue to happen without regard for whoever is in the whitehouse or governors mansion.. tensions arise in the cities and crap happens. Does not make it good or right, those who instigated it should be held accountable...
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    Thats a good one 15, "races not getting along" I would love to have heard what they were calling each other while they were beating the sh!t out of each other.

    If a group of Hispanics in a school cafeteria choose to sit together and a group of blacks do the same it is "races not getting along" but if a group of whites enter the cafeteria and sit with other whites I would assume that our "socialist politically correct do-gooders" would immediatelly call that "Racism".

    This goes on in prisons all across America, the inmates band together with others of their own race but only Whitey is called "racist".

    :confused::confused:
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    Racism is about power. For instance, in Zimbabwe where there are still 40,000 whites, they have to pick and choose where they live, where they go, who they see, and what they do. If they make the wrong decision, it could put them in danger. Thus, they band together and probably find ways to fight the black government, but they are not racist. They band together for reasons of self protection and survival. The same is true with minority groups here (though things are not nearly as bad here as they are in Zimbabwe).

    As for the the article, there's not enough information to know if it's racism or ignorance. Now Harry, let's suppose you and your buddies got into an argument with a Jew and then beat up a few of the guy's Jewish buddies, would it be anti-Semitism or simply a brawl? We wouldn't know the answer to that unless we knew what the argument was about, would we? If the argument had been about the Patriots, then the guy's religion would have no relevance.
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    What the hell?
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    Patters, imagine the outrage and the headlines this morning if 600 Black/White students were fighting each other down in Alabama--:singing:
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    That would probably be racism because there's a clear power differential. Although we've made progress, overall it's still better to be white in the society than black.
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    I guess you didn't get the analogy, huh?
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    I just didn't think it made all that much sense, to be honest.

    The white people in Zimbabwe aren't racist, so does that mean the blacks are?

    And I just don't believe racism is a function of power. Power is no doubt a component, but if you don't like someone simply because they're a different race, you're racist, period.

    Now, in Harry's example, if the fight started because one of the hispanics used the n word, or one of the black people said wetback or something...then that's racism as well.

    I just don't understand how you feel comfortable assigning racism so clearly and simply to "power".

    I can not like white people who are more powerful than I am, but that doesn't make me racist.

    So what happens in your view if Barack Obama becomes president? At that point, if I don't like him, am I racist because whites still have more power, or does racism cease because a black man is the most powerful in the free world?
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    There is clear evidence of racism against whites in Zimbabwe. There's obviously a lot of racism directed towards them.

    Were the Jews anti-German because they didn't like Nazis? Were the slaves racist when they rebelled? Were the Indians racist because they fought the white man? Power is a very important part of the equation. But, yes, if someone has a thing strictly against skin color, that's racist too.

    Yes, but power figures it into it. The n- word is a potent word, especially in a community that is already marginalized.

    Because if, for instance, are forced into ghettos, lesser jobs, and poorer education because of white society (and that's obviously a point of debate), they are forced to respond. That's totally different than white culture using it's power against minorities.

    Of course. You are part of the group (assuming you are white). You can be self-loathing, but not racist.

    If Obama is president, it will be a powerful point for those who argue that there is no (or very little) racism in the United States.
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    Thank you Harry. ;)
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    paul, haven't you learned by now? It's only racism when it's angry white men involved with someone's who's not white. Patters said it clearly. If it were 600 white people fighting 600 blacks, it's racism. When it's 600 hispanics versus 600 blacks, it's recess gone awry. :rolleyes:
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    To many politically correct liberals if you "don't vote" for Obama you are racist, that is simply the way they think, if Obama should lose the general election five minutes after he concedes it will be blamed on Racism by his supporters.
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    Patters, I just don't understand your way of thinking. I'm not making a value judgement about it, that's not my place, I have enough trouble making value judgements about my own views, but I just don't get it.

    In your reply, you said that if Obama is president, it will be a powerful point for those who argue racism is pretty much waning in the US (obviously that's not your exact quote, and I hope I haven't gotten your meaning wrong). So what does it say about the country that he is--barring some sort of miracle and/or superdelegate shennanigans (put nothing past the Clinton machine, like them or hate them) the nominee of arguably the most dominant political party today?
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    The definition of racism is in itself a matter of debate. If you google "what is racism" you'll get links to a lot of articles. I mean, no one disputes that the person who says, "I hate all ___" is a racist regardless of what race goes in the blank. But, it's the other more subtle kinds of racism, which we to varying degrees agree is out there, that is more prevalent.

    It says something great. I mean, obviously there's been enormous progress in terms of race relations over the years, but it's rare you get a measuring stick like Obama. The fact that the Democrat Party, party of the once powerful Dixiecrats no less, is choosing a black man, and the fact that it doesn't seem like that big a deal to the overwhelming majority of all Americans, shows just how far we've come. Even if Obama loses, we still will have made a wonderful statement to the rest of the world, where you have conflicts based on race, ethnicity, or religion, that in our country anyone can be President. That said, it doesn't mean there's no more prejudice, but it means we can overcome what remains.
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    #24 Jersey

    Not sure if this is racism but when I talk about blacks and hispanics (on average, not all of them) not doing what they need to in school to get good jobs - this crap is what I'm talking about.
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    Nothing quite like a group of old white guys, most of whom have done well, discussing racism.. I think you all miss the point, you get involved in politically correct rhetoric.. but bottom line is that is all bullshyt..
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    Thanks for that marvelously insightful comment. A real addition to the conversation.

    Who the hell is old? Besides Harry? I'm not old. And how do you know anyone here's "done well"?
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