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Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by Patters, Jan 31, 2007.

  1. Patters

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    Though we all occasionally lose our cool here, I just don't get the point of insults and name calling. The moment a thread turns into personal attacks, it seems to me no one can win the argument. It's a lot easier to respond to insults than it is facts and conclusions based on those facts.

    While I'm as aware as anyone, the words "You're right; I'm wrong" have almost never appeared in this forum, there have a been a number of cases where one side or the other has stopped arguing a point or avoided a question, which in my view is a form of concession. Those victories can add up and soften positions.

    Though most of us won't admit it, it's obvious that on social issues, global warming, Bush, Iraq, and on other issues, most of our views have evolved, at least intellectually. For instance, though I still believe 100% that we have to address global warming, I'm more aware now that addressing it does not mean only addressing the human contribution. On our troops and Christianity, I'm far more sensitive to issues of prejudice directed at them. On the issue of the flat tax, which I still oppose, I now appreciate how part of that issue stems from a deep distrust of the IRS, and the issue is not just one of tax fairness.

    In an old thread, I referred to an article that said conservatives tend to be authoritarian, e.g., a strong father who knows what's "best," while liberals tend to be nurturing, i.e., put people in a position to discover the "truth." In political discussion, I don't see the benefit of authoritarianism. If you corner someone or beat them up, their own pride will get in the way of them listening to your point of view. However, if you present your points with honesty and respect, and don't try to make them concede, then they have the opportunity to listen, and some of your points may actually filter through.

    I may be as guilty as anyone else, but the fact is personal attacks feed on themselves. When I'm called a troop killer, a defender of child molesters, a Holocaust denier, anti-Christian, etc., I don't always respond in the best way. When I don't, I reduce any chance I have of convincing someone of my point of view.

    Isn't one point of politics to change the world? We can't do it by alienating and insulting each other.
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    Insults And Arguments:
    It's Human Nature.
    Thats Why We're Killing Each Other All Over The World

    If there were only two people left on the planet and they "met" the first thing they would do is have a fight.

    :rocker: "yup, thats right Harry"
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    Good post Patters. I will try to refrain from calling Harry a man child.
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    Idon't think anybody wins arguments. why? I haven't really seen anybody change their opinions around here.
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    It's because people are set in their ways... Once a seed is planted, a tree will grow.
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    Sometimes the best of friends started out fighting each other. Theoretically, we're all one big family that fights with each other, can be dysfunctional at times but when the sh!t hits the fan and someone OUTSIDE the family attacks us, we forget all our differences and focus on kicking some arse.

    Take that doo doo head!
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    Name calling is the result of having nothing left to give to a debate.

    Having said that....

    I find it interesting that all those who disagree with the Bush administration's views get called names and compared to others like 'nazi appeasers'. They say they are 'helpng the terroists'. People who change their views are called "Flip-Floppers". Its a bully tactic.

    and all of you Poo-Poo heads who disagree with me can kiss my booty.
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    I am not a poo-poo head, you caca mouth!
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    :singing: :singing: :singing:
    Bush Is A Chimp
    Bush Is An A$s Hole
    Bush Is A Drunk
    Bush Is A Coward
    Bush Is A Jerk
    Bush Is A Druggie
    Bush Is A War Monger
    Bush Is An Idiot
    Bush Is A Moron
    Bush Is A F-cking Scumsucking Bastard
    :bricks:
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    Bahhhh!

    with all of the poo poo and Caca....you and I just fertilized the seed that you planted a few post earlier.
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    Auntie Pelosi anyone? Do I need to go on?
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    Haha, I spose we did didn't we. :D :D
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    I call them all names everyone knows that, John Fonda Kerry and Al Boob Gore are two of America's biggest sh!t heads and Cute Perky Katie looks like ET.
    :singing:
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    Oh I know...you Harry my boy...have brought name calling to an all new level of the patsfans.com lexicon.
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    Do you read Howie Carr, Harry Boy? You guys both have nicknames for EVERYONE.
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    I think "Harry Boy" is actually W Bush trolling on this forum. He sure gets upset when we insult him....:rolleyes:
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    You should hear my wife insult me, in public...

    Joe Biden said Obooma is the first "Bright Clean Black Man" to run for president, how will Jessie Jackoff & Al Dumpy Sharpton handle this one, Imagine what they would do to Trent Lott if he said this, what will the "black caucus" have to say, oh Jesus a democrat said this.

    Joe Stupid Biden entered the race yesterday and he's out today, now he can go skiing with John Fonda Kerry :singing:

    IS JOE STUPID BIDEN a closet racist :confused:

    PS
    Are Jessie & Al dirty
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    What kind of stupid, idiotic, numbskull question is that?!? :mad:

    Oh... sorry. ;)
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    Michael Moore is a Diarrhea, Slop Face, Sap Sucking, Billionaire, Mother F-cking, Smelly, Con Man,
    Tub Of Sh!t Bastard B!tch Vermin.
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    Those don't count as insults because they are true.

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