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    Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    The time draws near. I thought it might be nice for each matchup to have threads for the thoughts and wisdom of those on the board and elsewhere. So, have at it...
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    I think Baltimore has a solid chance to end Denver's season and burst the little bubbles of Bronco fans everywhere.

    Peyton has a great win/loss ratio against the Ravens but in 10 or 11 games against them, he's thrown almost half as many interceptions as he has touchdowns. 18/8.

    That's not too spectacular.

    If Baltimore executes, they can win this football game. There's a lot of experience on Baltimore's defense. They won't (or at least shouldn't) be out of place constantly which is most of the battle for the types of teams Peyton feeds on during the regular season. Ray Lewis may have botched that interception last week but he was in the right place to get it for a reason.

    If Ray Rice and Flacco have good games, they should be able to score more than an inspired Raven defense will allow.

    I think all Baltimore needs to do is execute a complete football game.

    Denver is statistically the weakest team in the NFL when it comes to defending Tight Ends (something that makes me extremely confident against them). Baltimore didn't have their TE in last time, whats-his-face. They were injured on defense, Flacco had a horrible game, etc.

    They don't have a lot of room for error, though.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs aren't close to 100% and Lardarius Webb is done for the year. That's a lot to overcome in a hostile playoff road game. and Joe Flacco is...well, Joe Flacco.

    It will be interesting to see how Manning plays in the cold weather but unfortunately I don't see an upset happening.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    Plus, the Ravens have a short week and have to travel with their older, beat-up players. And, the game is being played at altitude. I anticipate a blowout.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    Well Joe Flacco DID outplay Brady last year in a hostile environment so he CAN do it.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    Plus manning is not a cold weather qb, and its goiung to be 20 degrees on saturday. Easily the coldest game of the year for the broncos.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    Although I am in the camp that the Broncos are overrated, I don't see the Ravens winning this game. I don't care how they played last weekend. They always seem to step it up in emotional home games. And playing an one dimensional Colts who tends to play down to better opponents didn't hurt.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    Baltimore's defense is playing alot better. They owned the Giants and Colts. They had a good effort against these Broncos if not for Flacco's turnovers and poor special teams. 17 of their 34 points came from a pick 6, a TD off a drive starting at the Ravens 39, and a FG off Flacco fumbling at Denver's 46. I believe they will contain Manning but as I've said, the key will be Flacco managing a good game and will probably have to put 20 points on the board. That is entirely possible against Denver but this is Joe Flacco.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    Sad but true. Pretty sure Brady would agree too. Thank you Sterling Moore for not letting the Legend of Joe Flacco begin at Gillette!
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    Also, I know what you're all thinking: '"It's been a couple of hours since Uncle Rico updated us on the Denver weather forecast, and he hasn't done it yet in this thread. What gives"?

    The wait is over:

    5 Day Weather Forecast for Denver - weather.com

    High of 20. Should be dropping as the game starts.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    What he said. Manning owns the Ravens, their mothers and their children. This game will be a total blow out. The Ravens superbowl was last week. Ray-ray did his last dance at home and can now retire. The donkeys will win 35-10. And people will question if Flacco is a true Elite QB.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    Manning has beaten them with consistency but he's never actually 'blown them out' that I can recall. He's played fine but he's not putting up monster numbers. He's really been mostly fortunate that his defenses have been the one to really shut down the Ravens and make plays. So I'm not expecting him to blow them out the water here, I think that'll only happen if Flacco goes turnover happy.
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    If Manning handles his nerves and the elements I don't think the Ravens can win. However with 20 degree temps, winds around 10 MPH and potential snow those dome/good weather passes just need to be a little off to becomes picks. Really that's the Ravens best chance. They turn Peyton over 3 or 4 times and Flacco throws up a couple of prayers that Bolden and Smith come down with.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    In 07 the week after the Pats escaped to stay unbeaten they came out flat and Indy beat they by 30+ and it could have been much worse. But that is the exception to the rule.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    Here's a more complete look at Manning vs Ravens:

    Peyton Manning's on 9-game winning streak vs. Baltimore Ravens

    Apparently he only beats them when he does NOT throw for more than 300 yards. Looking at the table in the column above, you could conclude that "Manning" has only beaten the Colts with his own strong play a few times.

    And here's a column making the case for the cold favoring the Ravens.

    Cold weather favors Ravens, not Manning - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN

    Though ...

    I believe those two "cold weather" wins were 35-45 degrees. Not quite the same as 20 and dropping.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    The ball is not round and quantum uncertainty sometimes reigns. Obviously Denver with Manning, a young big receiving corps and an aggressive defense should be favored over the injured aged Ratbirds, hampered by not elite Flacco, but any NFL player is capable of playing lights out on occasion and maybe Peyton has a stinker game like that against SD a couple years ago with something like 5 picks. Does rooting for the Ratbirds make me a bad person?

    And what moron is giving these actual football assessment threads one star?
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    Yeah it's a big opportunity for Flacco to put an exclamation point on the case he's trying to make for a new contract this offseason. If he plays well, pretty much regardless of win or loss, you figure Baltimore won't be able to afford to let him walk.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    These are basically my sentiments.

    I think the Ravens would at least have a chance to hang with a healthy Webb, but alas no such luck.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    It's gonna be rough rooting for the Ravens but assuming we win our game, it will be much better playing at home for the AFCC. I think if the Ravens beat Denver they will have to be very lucky and either rattle manning early/win turnover battle. If that happens Hopefully they won't be so lucky the next game.

    I wouldn't hate to see Pats at Broncos either... That would be an EPIC game. Manning is just not the QB I want to see our D matched up against.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    In the last meeting the Ravens were without: Lewis, Pollard, Pierce, Yanda and Dixon. And it was Suggs first game back. Denver is the better team, however Baltimore will not be intimidated and the weather has never bothered them before. Now, 20 degrees will have some impact on Manning. Can Moreno carry a little more of the load successfully to compensate?

    The problem with the Ravens haven't changed however. They still find ways to hurt themselves in big games i.e. Rice with two huge fumbles lost last week. If they go into Denver and turn it over twice it will be lights for Ray Ray's career.

    The big question in my mind is who makes the least amount of self inflicted mistakes? Given the Ravens and Manning's track record in the playoffs it is hard to say. Given the circumstances, the weather, Ray Ray's looming retirement etc... I'm leaning towards an upset.

    To much deja vu for me to take the Broncos. #1 seed, winners of x games in a row, unstoppable offense and yet Manning has some how found himself on the losing side 7 times in his first playoff game of the season. 1-3 after a bye, and that includes 2005 when he had the number 1 seed, the number one offense in the NFL and the number 2 defense in the NFL and if everyone remembers that loss came to the Steelers with a retiring Jerome Bettis.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    Denver Broncos will try to turn up the heat on Ravens QB Joe Flacco - The Denver Post

    Interesting take from the Denver Post on the Ravens' offensive line which has done a good job of handling various pass rush schemes.

    The story ends with a reference to heavy blocking schemes (two tight ends/two backs) to move the chains. Even more than the Texans, the Ravens do a good job when it's close or they have a lead of pounding Ray Rice at the opponent. If the Broncos don't jump out to a lead, the Ravens can definitely hang around with their running game and beat the Broncos.

    Both AFC divisional games are very similar this way: elite QBs at home vs good QBs on the road, elite RBs (Ravens/Texans) vs good running games (Pats/Broncos), and good not great defenses all around. The Texans have the least playoff experience and confidence in the AFC which could be their downfall.

    Kubiak and Harbaugh vs Belichick and Fox, respectively, is an interesting story line. Kubiak and Harbaugh are good head coaches but haven't reached the level of John Fox who has a tremendous ability to adapt to his talent. Belichick is in a class by himself, obviously. Fox has been to the Super Bowl and needs this one to get on the list of very good head coaches, historically. This is his best shot, by far.

    John Fox has had success with Jake Delhomme, Tim Tebow and now Peyton Manning. I couldn't think of three more different QBs. Fox has also had a good running game wherever he's been.

    Many are salivating over a Broncos-Patriots matchup in the AFCC. Not me. Give Belichick another crack at the Ravens at home for a return trip to the big game.
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    Plus the Ravens were just a bad team that year, 5-11 I think. We were one of the only teams they played tough against because of the undefeated angle with a primetime game and the death of a former Miami Hurricane who's name escapes me had Ray/Reed and others fired up. Other than that they were just a horrible team that year.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    Manning's success against the Ravens is pretty much the only reason I'm not giving Baltimore a real edge.

    Denver hasn't beaten anyone of significance and Manning has looked iffy when actually tested.

    But Manning has done well against Baltimore, there's no denying that. However, going into this season, the last time he'd faced them was 2009 in the playoffs when he had a mediocre day and Baltimore simply could not score.
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    Division Round Playoffs: Baltimore Ravens at Denver Broncos
    By: John Morgan

    Conventional wisdom says the Ravens have no chance, but consider the injuries they had in the first meeting. Then look at the turnover differential: Baltimore is +9, and Denver is -1....

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    Don't be surprised if those thugs don't try to knock Manning out.

    This is their absolute last chance at a ring. The D is aged and running on fumes.

    If I were Manning I'd be very careful - thus is a desperate team.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    I've got the Ravens in this one.
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    Re: Divisonal round breakdown: Ravens at Broncos

    Funny typo in that article:

    13 sacks would be quite the thing to see in 1 game. :)
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    Did you not see the Jets game with McElroy? That's exactly what happened.
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