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Ditka "I'd devise a defense with 2 DL, 4 LB, 5 DB's"

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  1. MrBigglesWorth

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    I'd love to see this and see Maroney and Faulk eat this up.

    The NFL needs to accept that they can't stop this offense, only way is taking brady out. They tried double coverage on Moss and blew up that blueprint.

    I just wonder if Brady has all day because teams are only rushing 4 guys and dropping everyone back into coverage.

    Anyone know the percentage Brady has been blitzed?
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    And give Brady all day to sit there behind this offensive line and pick apart those 5 DBs
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    We use one with one lineman and 6 DBs on a regular basis.

    I like ditka's idea better, except I'd make Rodney one of the OLB .
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    4 DLs, 4 LBs, and 6 DBs is more like it.

    If the NFL wants parity, they'll let Pats opponents field 14 defenders against the Pats offense. :)
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    Except some of our linebackers are the size of defensive ends. AD is nearly as big as Jarvis Green, Vrabel is pretty big and Colvin can play defensive end also
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    I loved the 85 Bears but Ditka took a team with the most dominant defense ever and went on to win exactly one Superbowl. Then he ran New Orleans into the ground, his track record speaks for itself.

    HOF Player - Yes
    NFL passed him by 30 years ago - Yes

    Get back to the home old man and don't forget your Depends.
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    As a dime defense? Good

    As a base defense? Bad.
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    I think this is what Belichick did with the Giants to beat the Bills.

    He let them run on purpose, and it worked, they won by 1 point.
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    Nice. I need an Alzeheimers translator when he's on TV-- dude froths and spits and makes as much sense as a wet napkin.



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    Excuse me, but why is Mike Ditka on my television, and who ever accused him of knowing how to design a defense? He's STILL the stooopidest head coach to ever win a Superbowl, and the only man who could ruin a Saints team that had nothing left to ruin.
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    They were just tossing around ideas, which had Keyshawn rolling his eyes because having played on BB coached teams he knows that personnel dicatate what you can do defensively to confuse an opposing QB and not many teams are constructed so they can alter defensive scheme to tailor it to confuse an individual opponent. So at the end of the segment Ditka said "Then if none of that works, just lock 'em in the locker room."
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    Buddy Ryan was the brains behind the 1985 Chicago Bears defense.
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    gotta disagree. Barry (4th and 1 on my own 29- I'm going for it even after I get a mulligan) Switzer has that award permanently retired....
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    Believe it or not some of the teams NE's faced this season have brought the blitz a number of times. Most of these teams have also gone away from the blitz in game because Brady has burned them.

    To me his protection this season has been a combination of a few things:
    1) Randy Moss: He's creating mismatches by taking away at least two and sometimes three DB's during the majority of NE's offensive plays.

    2) Moss, Welker, Stallworth, and Watson have been able to get open a lot easier, and quicker than Brady's receivers of a year ago. A number of Brady's sacks last year were more coverage related than anything.

    3)The Patriots offensive line is young and still developing. I believe some of these O-linemen are just now starting to get into their prime, and they might get even better from this point on.

    4) Kyle Brady is an extra O-linemen, he blocks that well.

    5) On defense it's hard to bring the house when you have to worry about such good offensive weapons, especially when the Patriots are proving more than capable of picking up blitzers.
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    I know, it's not like Moss and Welker haven't already split double teams this year. :D
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    That's true, but our DLinemen are young, mostly 1st round picks and very athletic.

    A.D. is new and some of our other LBs are showing a lot of wear.
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    Yeah that '85 Bears team had a really poor defense. Obviously you know more than him.
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    Was he suggesting it as a base defense?

    I know we used a similar defense most of the game against Peyton one year and let Edgerrin run wild.

    I didn't see the program, but we have all sorts of defenses for different situations. I assume he was asked a "how do you stop the Patriots" question and that was one tack.

    Obviously, the way we're going, teams will have to gamble.
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    Buddy Ryan, the DC and architect of the Bears 46 defense, famously hated Ditka and would never let him near "his" players and playbook. Ditka was a great TE, but is not considered a brilliant coaching mind by any stretch.
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    You'd know, wouldn't you, that Mike Ditka ceded all control of that defense to Buddy Ryan? You'd recall, I'm assuming, how the Bears defense carried Buddy off the field, and didn't pay much mind to Mike - a first for any team of any era? You'd also know, I'm thinking, that he was an offensive player in the NFL? And, finally, I imagine you remember how Ditka's team, and it's amazing defense, suddenly became very ordinary when Buddy Ryan left after the 1986 season?


    No, perhaps you don't. . .
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    You could say the same thing about Dungy and Monte Kiffin.

    We have Shaun King as a commentator for crissake.

    I'm sorry, if the nameplate on your desk says Superbowl winning coach,I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you might know something.
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    I think Ditka was a pretty smart coach. He had over 100 wins, half of them after Ryan left. I remember an interview with Johnny Morris, a wide receiver Ditka played with on the Bears, who said how amazed he was when Ditka woud come off the field and tell everyone exactly what the other team's defense was doing, when and where.
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    Ditka is a meathead.

    Why can't he just admit that we're the shiznit?
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    Smart comes in different areas. If Ditka was smart enough to give control of the D to Buddy Ryan (and he was), doesn't that make him smart? I mean, not smart in the X's and O's sense of the game, but smart enough to know when to delegate.
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    Kiffin-Dungy??? Are you serious?? Not even a REMOTELY close comparison. The Tampa-2 defense was a product of Bud Carson, adopted by Dungy and
    "perfected" (if you can say that) by Kiffin. Buddy Ryan OWNED (and still does) the 46 defense.

    If you all want to give Ditka credit for being smart enough to know that he was stoopid, and hiring Buddy Ryan, well, I can't stop you. Kind of like giving someone credit for a beautiful job coloring within the lines, but I won't spend time arguing.
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    No, guys like Ditka and Parcells are just there for the press conference.

    It's actually really easy to get a head coaching job, you just need to tell the owner you know a genius defensive coach that'll do all the work.
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    Stoopid coach, career record 121 - 95 post season 6-6

    Defensive Genius, career record 55-55-1 post season 0-3

    Seems like they were under .500 the 4 years Ryan coached before Ditka too.

    5 out of the 7 seasons after Ryan left the stoopid guy had between 11 and 14 wins!!:eek: Wow!! he must have had another genius, huh?
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    What does Ditka know about coaching defense? Its well documented that he didnt ever talk to his vaunted Bears defenses, and that they considered Buddy Ryan their "coach".
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