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    So I must have missed it, but did Allen Specter take a deposition from Mike Ditka regarding his on air comments that George Halas routinely bugged opposing team locker rooms and George Allen taping practices?

    Or does he and everyone else want to stick their head in the sand and delude themselves about standard operating procedure in the NFL?

    Surely the general public would prefer not to know these things - but seeing as Ditka made his comments on TV and that that the following Lee Grosscup article appeared in Sport Magazine in 1967 about how far NFL teams went to watch practices, it doesn't seem to me like the Pats should be singled out if indeed they did anything wrong.

    http://www.thesportgallery.com/sport-stories/1967aug-nflspy.html

    Indeed, just like with signal stealing, the NFL seems to recognize that the only way to have an even playing field is to let everyone do it to the best of their ability, recognizing that's the only fair thing to do.

    Apparently Specter's Senate staff can't do a simple Google search - which is reason enough to throw him out of office for incompetence. Either that or he's got a vendetta against the NFL for some unknown reason *cough* Comcast *cough*
     
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    Joe your on the ball..
     
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    Nest we're going to hear that Dempsey had a spring in that square toed shoe. :bricks:
     
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    Re: Ditka: George Halas & George Allen Spied; Sport Magazine documents pre-1967 spyin

    That Sport Magazine article is a great read - citing filming practices 40+ years ago.
     
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    Re: Ditka: George Halas & George Allen Spied; Sport Magazine documents pre-1967 spyin

    Thanks for finding that article, very interesting stuff.
     
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    At first I was reading it just becuase I'm a Pats fan. But that's truly one of the better articles I have read in a long time.
     
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    Re: Ditka: George Halas & George Allen Spied; Sport Magazine documents pre-1967 spyin

    So I guess we should file a class action suit against all those organizations, as well as the NFL - and get Al Davis on the witness stand!

    Any lawyers among us that are looking to make a name for themselves?

    What price tag should we put on the pain and suffereing for Patriots fans when the NFL is knowingly acting the hypocrit about these things?

    Let's get Specter on the stand as well to see when his interest in NFL cheating began - before or after Comcast became his biggest contributor? Especially since even the most basic of Internet research would have shown him that these practices go back more than 40 years.
     
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    Re: Ditka: George Halas & George Allen Spied; Sport Magazine documents pre-1967 spyin

    There have to be other options ;)
     
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    Re: Ditka: George Halas & George Allen Spied; Sport Magazine documents pre-1967 spyin

    Since Papa Bear started things back in the 50's & 60's -- I knew those Bears were cheaters all along.

    Strip them of that 1985/6 Superbowl ring and give it to NE.

    Steve Grogan gets his ring!!!

    I want to sue the NFL as I had tickets to that game.

    Bears need to lose their #1 draft choice this year as punsihment.

    Tomase...here is a scoop for you with actual real sources!!!
     
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    Re: Ditka: George Halas & George Allen Spied; Sport Magazine documents pre-1967 spyin

    Dunno whether it's in this article or not, but Halas once sold tickets to the opposing team's bench.
     
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    Re: Ditka: George Halas & George Allen Spied; Sport Magazine documents pre-1967 spyin

    Great find, thanks for posting!
     
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    Good read and very interesting, thanks for posting.
     
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    Re: Ditka: George Halas & George Allen Spied; Sport Magazine documents pre-1967 spyin

    Here's a few highlights from 1967 and before:

    Here's an interesting comment from Grosscup that could just as well have been written in 2007:

    Here's another tidbit from the article - again, first hand accounts that every reporter who has been covering this story since September has ignored - and is similarly being ignored by the U.S. Congress now:

    Is it a coincidence that Specter doesn't seem interested in getting a deposition from Al Davis? Perhaps Comcast doesn't want him tearing down the NFL - just putting pressure on Goodell by making the Patriots a scapegoat.

    And just in case anyone thinks snooping on practices is a new phenomenon:

     
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    Great read, and it gives a lot of ammunition to use against Belichick-haters. Thanks!
     
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    great read, and great find joe. but nobody nowadays cares, except us pats fans. too bad mr senator has to mix his agenda with our legacy:mad:
     
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    Re: Ditka: George Halas & George Allen Spied; Sport Magazine documents pre-1967 spyin

    forward this easterbrook and florio and all those idiots. i doubt they will acknowledge.
     
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    Re: Ditka: George Halas & George Allen Spied; Sport Magazine documents pre-1967 spyin

    I'm bumping this thread... really don't want to let this issue die...

    You've got some pretty detailed first person accounts of all kinds of cheating that would really take the wind out the sails of those who would make righteous comments about the Patriots

    Let he who's team hasn't spied cast the first stone in Spygate.
     
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    Re: Ditka: George Halas & George Allen Spied; Sport Magazine documents pre-1967 spyin

    It's awful. I think people who seriously look into it with an objective view realize it's a league wide issue and one that has a long standing history in the NFL. And not just taping, but cheating in general has been a part of football since the league started.

    But everyone just reads a few headlines on ESPN, then bury their heads in sand. And they don't want to hear that they might be wrong.
     
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    The NFL institutionally allows all of it because they have no choice. And as long as its an even playing field where they are treating each team the same, the integrity of the game is sound.

    The problem is, they are NOT treating the Patriots like any other team. They are singling them out and making them a scapegoat.
     
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    Well said.
     
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