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    I have long maintained that many conservatives are more fearful than liberals. For that reason, some of them regard Arabs, gays, blacks, Latinos, and even women as threats.

    I might add that conservatives will like the first page of the article, and find a number of the observations and study-results non-offensive, but this one was my favorite:

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/index.php?term=pto-20061222-000001&page=2

    "All people are born alike—except Republicans and Democrats," quipped Groucho Marx, and in fact it turns out that personality differences between liberals and conservatives are evident in early childhood. In 1969, Berkeley professors Jack and Jeanne Block embarked on a study of childhood personality, asking nursery school teachers to rate children's temperaments. They weren't even thinking about political orientation.

    Twenty years later, they decided to compare the subjects' childhood personalities with their political preferences as adults. They found arresting patterns. As kids, liberals had developed close relationships with peers and were rated by their teachers as self-reliant, energetic, impulsive, and resilient. People who were conservative at age 23 had been described by their teachers as easily victimized, easily offended, indecisive, fearful, rigid, inhibited, and vulnerable at age 3. The reason for the difference, the Blocks hypothesized, was that insecure kids most needed the reassurance of tradition and authority, and they found it in conservative politics.
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    This should turn into a fun post, looks like all the Conservative like to sleep late, or else it would be an early AM **** fight... put on the butt ass protectors on this one.
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    We don't regard them as threats, we just don't want to stand Idle while they sh!t all over us.

    We want them treated equal but we feel uncomfortable slobbering and fawning all over them, we don't like the double standard, we don't like being told who we should bring home to dinner we will choose we don't want the Government running our lives.

    I would invite Morgan Freeman into my home but I would never allow Mike Tyson on my property, Liberals can't understand this.

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    oh, right. who ever heard of liberals that are easily offended :rolleyes:

    as stated many times, im no right wing conservative. Im a Democratic because issues regarding economics, health care, gun control,opposition to the war in Iraq and the death penalty.

    But that article is garbage.

    insecure? You mean like Alec Baldwin or Ted Kennedy?
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    Interesting choice of words, considering the person that originated the thread. I would probably get banned if I made a similar post, but I guess it's OK for you... :rolleyes:
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    So a couple of Berkely whacked out ultra-liberals did a "study" that made conservatives look bad.

    Wow... I never saw that one coming :rolleyes:

    This is just another liberal round circle where they all reassure each outher how much smarter, more compassionate and wonderful they are from the rest of the world. Then they resume their obsessive hated of Christianity, America, George Bush and any sort of rules or decency in societal behavior.

    For a great example of liberal compassion in action, you need look no further than my signature...
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    Berkley :singing: :singing: :singing:
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    Gee left wingers doing a self serving study that amkes them out to be heroic and brave.....YAWN.

    Funny I thought libs were offended by stereotypes?
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    Where does the word "Stereotype" come from:confused:
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    Don't worry cons, I'm sure the researchers are well aware that its nature AND nurture that define a person and traits exhibited in childhood are really more nature only, because nurture hasn't had a whole lot of time to influence the young.

    But you really need to stop associating with the groups out there that continue to 'nurture' you into remaining that scared little kid that sits alone in the corner. Start by dropping the GOP altogether, they're incorrigible. You should also endeavor to watch one Baseball game for every NASCAR race you watch. You might want to flag tonight's Red Sox v Yankees game. It promises to be a good one. There's other things you can do, but lets take it slow. You're scarred and scared enough as it is.

    btw Patters, you start the very best threads:D
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    From A Mark Steyn column:

    difference between libs and cons.
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    Since the researchers were not setting out to draw political conclusions, there's no reason to believe that their study was dishonest. In fact, from the little I've read, there study is not at all about politics, and their political observations were nothing more than a side note. What were you like as a kid? I was energetic, impulsive, and resilient, but I don't think I was especially self-reliant. I was also somewhat distracted and not very serious.

    And Patsfans13, I suppose the response to your post I suppose I could cite the political leanings of many of those over in Iraq dying to defend President Bush's lies. (Of course, the majority are not there for political reasons, but for practical reasons.)
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    Have the researchers ever spent some time in The Real World, Out In The Streets, In The Housing Projects, and in the Little Neighborhood Corner Bars, that is where they should do their researching, that is where they will meet The Good and The Bad of our society.

    Liberalism makes it much easier for the BAD to do their thing.
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    While there may be some libs in the military, the vast majority are conservative and patriotic.
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    I disagree. While a single group of nursery-schoolers, maybe in a single location, would be difficult to generalize to the entire population, it does in fact represent a cross-section in a specific location, at a specific time, since the schools are closer to a cross-section of the population than, for example, "the bars." I am not certain whether pre-school is/was mandatory; for that reason, replicating the study with first-graders might be preferable, and replicating it nationwide would be best of all. The sample size was something like 22,000, however, so one would imagine that sample size was not a source of error here.

    Replicating the study would take 20 years or more. But should it be done, I do not think it would enhance the reliability of the study to weight it toward frequent drinkers, public housing project denizens, or "the streets," whatever that means. However, it would be interesting to note the proportion of subjects from the study who ended up in these locales. One would assume the proportions are about what you would find in the general population, although the advantages of attending pre-school vs. not attending pre-school might decrease the proportions of subjects who ended up in the first two of these environments. I can not say in the case of "the streets," because I am not certain whether "the streets" means urban streets specifically, or whether "out in the streets" means among people who spend a good deal of time there, or whether it means that they should be spoken to, for some reason, when on or near a blacktopped area with frequent vehicular traffic.

    To sum up - there's a possible bias in the study, in that surveying preschoolers may inadvertantly skew results. If, for example, the insecure who attend pre-school are more likely to become conservatives, whereas the insecure who do not are more likely to become liberals, there is a bias in the study.

    Otherwise, it looks a good deal sounder than the methodology of "A bunch of guys down at the bar say..."

    PFnV
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    LOL - you prove the point of the original post. Conservatives are selfish (i.e concerned only about their own interests) while liberals show concern for others, even if doing so could cost them their lives (the very definition of heroism). It so happened that those kids were criminals. However, they very well could have been normal kids who were having car trouble. So the moral of the story....if you need help, don't make the mistake of knocking on a conservative's door. The only "assistance" you'll get is an armed escort off the conservative's property.
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    #75 Jersey

    What a senseless and irrelevant thread!

    Are we supposed to believe that conservatives and liberals have a biophysical pre-disposition to their political orientation? Honestakrist! Now we're down to inventing new ways to further define ourselves as "liberals" and "conservatives", as if simply voting was not enough. Oh, that's right! No one votes anymore. Maybe we should start measuring our skulls or the distance from the tip of the thumb to to spot between the scrotum and the anus. I'll bet Liberals have a shorter distance and conservatives have slightly larger skulls.

    The concept of this "study" is absurd it minimum, irresponsible and dangerous at worst. Anyone who so strongly and vehemently makes such claims is out of their mind and extremely unpatriotic. I just wonder when it became OK to hate your fellow Americans with such devisiveness and vitriol. Wassamatter?Need another enemy the caliber of the Soviets to direct our paranoia towards instead of at each other? How about stopping pollution or genetic diseases? How about we start spending more time together in person...you know, talking to neighbors and having more parades?
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    And if anyone here is stupid enough to believe that, I have some cattle futures you may be interested in.
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    I don't know, QuiGon, perhaps you're energetic and resilient as well, but several of the adjectives the researchers used to describe conservatives fit many of your posts: easily offended, fearful, and rigid. :D
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    Of course not. This is a single study. It should be repeated to the extent possible in other meta-analyses. But the results do show that, barring sampling error or some other confounding factor, one can demonstrate a relationship between childhood insecurity and adult conservatism.

    Juxtaposing such superfluous physical features against a meta-analysis of personality traits correlating with political beliefs, is a red herring. One may make the case that it does not matter why people become conservatives; one can not make the case that the physical features described would make a meaningful difference, nor that the physical features described have, in fact, been found to predominate for one or another political leaning.

    One can make the argument that generally insecure children tend to grow up to be conservatives, barring once again the confounding factors mentioned.

    "I'll bet" is not research. Support this with real data, if it is worth it to you. I am not certain of the point, but I think you are insinuating that conservatives have larger brain-cases on average, based on a belief that the brain case size is responsible for intelligence. While this is true in some cases between species, within homo sapiens, the more significant correlation for high intelligence is the ratio of brain size to body size. This being the case, measuring skulls would more likely prove that proportionately more males than females end up being conservatives. However, it is all speculation, unless you do the research.

    I did not read the researchers' description of hating their subjects. Could you provide a link? Or is the link, in fact, the necessity of an unpatriotic agenda, any time conservatism is in some way questioned? The study is a study, no more, no less; the only real threat here is that by finding ways to make our children less insecure in a real sense, we may negatively impact the voting rolls some decades from now, from a conservative point of view. Conservatives need only make their children more insecure, to preserve a significant presence on the political scene, if this is the concern.

    I don't think the study itself creates an enemy, but does explain a lot of the reactionary nature of conservative opinion. The authors of the study were themselves quite understanding of the results; they postulate that perhaps conservative attachment to traditional sources of authority helps allay insecurity. They also make no value judgment on whether or not insecurity is warranted. I think a conservative whose foreign policy is more "hawkish" would be said to be more insecure about the designs of other governments.

    The study does not prove that such paranoia is unnecessary or unrealistic. It only predicts that such paranoia is likely to be found among conservatives.

    A perfectly self-respecting conservative can easily argue that paranoia is realistic and essential to the preservation of the U.S., and that we need fearful, insecure children to provide future generations with global strategic planners.

    The presence of meta-analysis on childhood personality correlating to adult political leanings, does not in itself preclude the frequency of conversations with neighbors or parades. The latter, however, would not advance the correlational study of early childhood personality and adult political allegiances, which is the research question the study was intended to answer.

    PFnV
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