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Did the US ok Obama's Family to Charter a jet and leave after 9/11???

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  1. DarrylS

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    Always been intrigued by this whole thing as to why this could have happened, now Worldnet amongst others are reporting the release of the FBI documents that were released to Judicial Watch... still do not understand why they did not detain these folks and at least ask some cursory questions.. may have gotten a lead early on on Osama or something else.,

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56289

    Members of Osama bin Laden's family, on a flight perhaps chartered by Osama bin Laden, were flown out of the United States in the days right after 9/11 after the FBI approved the special flights, according to new agency documents revealed by Judicial Watch.

    The public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption has obtained and released new information from the FBI that relates to the "expeditious departure" of Saudi Arabian citizens, including members of the bin Laden family, as soon as flights were allowed again after the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington.

    "According to one of the formerly confidential documents, dated 9/21/01, terrorist Osama bin Laden may have chartered one of the Saudi flights," the group's report said. Bin Laden, considered to be the founder of al-Qaida and the confessed driving force behind the 9/11 attacks, has been seen numerous times in videos taunting and challenging the United States since the attacks.

    "The document states: 'ON 9/19/01, A 727 PLANE LEFT LAX, RYAN FLT #441 TO ORLANDO, FL W/ETA (estimated time of arrival) OF 4-5PM. THE PLANE WAS CHARTERED EITHER BY THE SAUDI ARABIAN ROYAL FAMILY OR OSAMA BIN LADEN…THE LA FBI SEARCHED THE PLANE [REDACTED] LUGGAGE, OF WHICH NOTHING UNUSUAL WAS FOUND,'" the Judicial Watch report said.

    That flight made four stops to pick up passengers before being allowed to leave the United States en route to Paris, the FBI documents reveal. It was among six such flights where the FBI briefly interviewed some passengers and inspected some luggage, the report said. Flights collected passengers or made stops in California, Texas and Florida, among several other places.

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/Saudi Docs 2.pdf

    This is the FBI report in PDF format that was obtained by Judicial Watch, do not have to read far into it.. the info on Bin Laden's family starts on Page 3...
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    Obama's family? is this Ted?
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    The American people would have killed the stinlking smelly bastards if they stayed here.
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    Your point is???
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    Bush did the kind and caring liberal thing, he saved their lives.
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    Was that before or after he decided to invade Iraq?? Another warm and fuzzy moment for 1600 Penn ave.
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    Uncle Teddy, Hillary, Kerry ect said Iraq should be Invaded, Uncle Teddy's exact words were, "Saddam has to go".
    Iraq was invaded, Saddam is gone.

    Saddam outfoxed the world, the WMD's were destroyed or shipped out or they are still there somewhere, John Fonda Kerry said "he had them" and Kerry doesn't lie.
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    We are getting lost from the original thread, about how the White House ok'ed these folks to leave the US while the rest of the US could not fly.. still does not make sense to me.
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    #15 Jersey

    Way back when, I posted about the plane that flew out of Tampa when all flights were restricted and someones response was concerning a tinfoil hat. Then again, they are probably still in denial, more cowbells!
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    Right or Wrong, the decison was made, why are Liberal Bush Haters so concerned with this, what good would it have done if we left them here, if we detained them or questioned them Auntie Pelosi, Weasle Reid and the ACLU would have gone insane (civil liberties, freedom, dignity, humanity, police state)
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    What was the source that Fahrenheit 9/11 used? IIRC, they stated that 34 members of the Bin Ladens flew out on 9/13. This was a deal brokered by the Saudi ambassador. This flight is addition to those flights? Or was the stuff from the movie not from a reliable source?

    I am intrigued how this happened as well.
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    0/19/2001 was after the skies were reopened and not earlier as Moore and the tinfoil brigade said, right?
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    Ummmm.........

    The guy's name is OSAMA, not Obama. Wow.
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    Where did Obama go after 9/11? Disneyworld? :D
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    Moore claimed they flew on the 13th during the lock down. I don't see any reliable source that backs that up.
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    The FBI records cited in post #1 of this thread says 9/19.
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    There were several flights made by these folks:

    On Page 195 indicated a flight left from Lexington, KY. on 9/16
    On Page 200 indicated a flight left from Providence, RI on 9/14

    There is so much stuff in this report and its length it makes it confusing...
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    Moore did not claim that; he said "after September 13th."

    http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/index.php?id=17

    "FAHRENHEIT 9/11: 'At least six private jets and nearly two dozen commercial planes carried the Saudis and the bin Ladens out of the U.S. after September 13th. In all, 142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country.'

    "NOTE: It should be noted that even though the film does not make the allegation, strong evidence has recently come to light that at least one private plane flew to pick up Saudi nationals while private flights were still grounded. Moreover, for nearly three years, the White House has denied that this flight existed. This was reported in the June 9, 2004 St. Petersburg Times article cited below: ...

    "'Two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, with most of the nation's air traffic still grounded, a small jet landed at Tampa International Airport, picked up three young Saudi men and left. The men, one of them thought to be a member of the Saudi royal family, were accompanied by a former FBI agent and a former Tampa police officer on the flight to Lexington, Ky. The Saudis then took another flight out of the country.'”
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    I missed the "after" part, thanks. I could have sworn in the movie they had a list with 9/13 on it and a list of names.

    The truth will be only be known to those that flew. Those documents are a maze of confusion.
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    Your statement has been disproven time and again by multiple sources, most notably the 9/11 Commission. No flights left before airspace was open, and the FBI conducted interviews beforehand.
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    That's interesting. Also interesting is that the document was provided to Judicial Watch, which, as you may know, is that same conservative group that made the Clinton White House provide a lot of info it did not want to.
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    #15 Jersey

    Its like the flight tower official working at Tampa International Airport said, a plane took off during the restricted hours, but who am I to argue with the FBI and the White House. Of course, the guy is a loser and any number of bad character issues which would result in speaking out.
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    Was the airspace open on 9/14?? as indicated in page 200 of this report??? I seem to remember it was closed for at least a week.
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    This is another "story" that I haven't followed much because I really don't care - but I'm wondering why the Libs are so up in arms about us allowing innocent people to leave. They're yelling about illegal detainees of actual likely criminals and now they're upset because the U.S. OKed innocent people top leave ?

    I don't get it.
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    Are Osama Bin Ladens family innocent people?? Do we know that?? Why weren't others given preferential treatment, only saudi's and some other very select ME groups?? There were many other people stuck in the US during this time, and it seems that only these people who were allowed to leave is a tad ironic. One of the questions asked is could have the plane been rented by Osama??
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    I don't know who was and who wasn't - but if there was no reason to think they had anything to do with it - and there wasn't - then it seems strange for Libs to be wanting them detained against their will.

    Hypocrites.
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    They want only to advance the theory that Bush was involved in some kind of 9-11 conspiracy. He knew about it in advance, he had 3000 people killed for an excuse to start a war so he could help his oil buddies and get haliburton more contracts.
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    Yes, the airspace was re-opened by September 14. There were only 2 days of airspace lockdown (the 11th and the 12th). NOTE: There were some permitted flights during this time period beyond the military, such as important hospital emergencies.
    A lot of people have this same memory lapse, and I think there are 2 reasons to explain it:

    1) The stock market stayed closed until Monday the 17th... there was no football that weekend, and baseball games weren't played until the 17th either (IIRC one game that day, then a full schedule on Tuesday). This has caused people to "remember" the airlines doing the same thing, but it just ain't true.

    2) Enough liberal lies and propaganda has been distributed and they know if they repeat the same lie over and over and over again, a lot of people - even those acting in good faith - will believe it.
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    What preferential treatment..? Being interviewed by the FBI then leaving the country on a plane you chartered after airspace reopened to all Americans is considered "preferential"..? Geez, I'd hate to fly GJAJ-Airlines... :rolleyes:

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