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  1. NENGFAN

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    Ok, ok...I know Jets SHOULD have lost. But did them winning really hurt OUR playoff chances. Say they had lost against the Bills and the Dolphins still won. We would still not be Division leaders. And if the Dolphins win next week - they would be playing the Jets for the Division in either case and would definitely have won that game as the Jets would NOT want the PATS to win the Division. Yes - if both the Jets and Phins lost, then that would have benefited us but the Ravens losing was HUGE and more important!

    In either case, the Phins or Jets would be playing for the Division in the last week if one of them win out. The Jets losing would have taken them out of the race but wouldn't have benefited us that much...Just my opinion.

    I hate it because I live in the NY area and would have LOVED listening to the radio and the rat fans squirming...
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    the pats control there dynasty thats all i can say
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    It hurts us no matter how you look at it. The only way it wouldn't is if we win our last 2 and the Jets/Dolphins each lose at least 1 of their last 2.
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    This is just... too ridiculous for words...
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    bills were so close...

    jet losses are the next best thing to patriot wins, whether they give us the division or not.

    and we need the jets and dolphins to lose someway to realistically get the division.
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    Are you saying that in this scenario the Jets would tank the game so the Pats would miss the playoffs? That's incredibly dumb.

    This loss hurts because had the Bills won today, then we are one game closer to a home playoff game. If the Jets beat Miami at home, no reason why they can't, then the Pats would control their destiny.
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    Yup. I believe the Jets wouldn't be playing for anything and would play "softly" especially since a win would mean the PATS taking the Division!
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    Just as the Ravens loss provided more possibilities, the Jets' loss would have further expanded those.

    Now we need one loss among the Ravens, Jets, and 'Phins -- ANY of them -- to live on until week 16.

    Naturally, it would be much better not to need that, but we're past that now.

    Assuming the Pats win out, if the Fins, Jets, and Ravens all win next week, we only get in with a week 16 meltdown by the Ravens. (We would beat them by W/L record; The Dolphins or the Jets would win the division; we would win the wildcard.)

    If the Ravens lose, all we need to do is win our last 2 for the wildcard, since either the Jets or Fins will lose 1.

    It would be nice if the Jets were already a game behind us. Then if we won out and they won out, we would win the division. If the Dolphins beat them, we would lose the division but still have our wild-card shot. We would only neeed a Dolphins loss of any kind.

    So yeah, we'd have had a higher percentage shot of making it. But the Pats have their hands full with the whole "winning out" thing.

    PFnV
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    dont think they would throw the game. they could try and win and get in as a WC if balt loses next week .so yes it hurts our div chances.
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    we have to do something next week we havent done all season. Win 3 in a row.
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    No they don't.
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    A Patriots loss to the Bills would give the Jets the division title.

    You really think the Jets would throw the Miami game knowing they WIN the division with a Patriots loss to the Bills?
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    Not true. The Pats can win out and still miss out of the playoffs. However, they still have multiple ways to get in the playoff pool.

    If the Pats do win out:

    If either the Jets or Dolphins win out, that team is the division winner by tiebreaker, and the Pats come in second. Both those team have to lose a game (more below).

    Indy would have to "lose out" at Jax and hosting Tennessee for the Pats to catch up and take a wildcard spot from them. Not probable.

    However, if Baltimore loses at Dallas or hosting Jax, we can get in ahead of them; no competition from the Jets or the Dolphions for this last wildcard spot as one of them HAS to lose to the other in the final game.

    If the Pats lose one more game (preferably it would be to Arizona), we could still sneak in, but an awful lot of things would have to go right for that to happen. The chances here are would be very thin I think.

    That said, I think it's very realistic that both the Jets and the Dolphins could lose this coming weekend at Seattle and at KC respectively. The Jets just haven't been playing well and were lucky to beat the Bills today, and Seattle played the Pats tough last week; and KC is always tough at home. Now, if ONE of those two circumstances occur, then we would hope that losing team, the Jets or Dolphins, wins their contest in the final week. The Pats would then get the 3rd seed and open at home probably against the Ravens.

    If the Pats do sneak in as a 6th seed, they would probably open up at the Jets or Dolphins.

    Does anyone remember the improbable series of events that got the Pats the #2 seed and first round bye in 2001? There were two weeks left in the season, and the Pats were fighting the Jets for the division, and well as the Raiders for the #2 seed. They needed the Raiders to lose their last two games to overtake them and the #2 seed, but first they also needed the Jets to lose one of their final two games. However, the Jets were playing the Raiders in the final week of the regular season. So the Jets had to beat the Raiders, which meant they also had to lose, at home, to a bad Buffalo Bills team that had won only two games all year. So guess what? The Bills did beat the Jets, the Raiders did lose in week 16, then the Raiders did lose to the Jets, at home, on a 50+ yard field goal as time ran out.

    So strange stuff has happened.
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    No way. Ravens need to lose again and that will just be a wild card.

    To win the division, the Jets and Dolphins each need to lose a game. Each of them.

    Had the Jets lost, the Pats would only need a Dolphins loss.

    If the Jets beat the Dolphins the last game of the season, the Jets win the division. Had they lost today, the Pats would have won the division. How is that not hurting our playoff chances?
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    I saw the Baltimore Colts throw a game in 1975 to the Patriots. If the Colts won they would have been out of the playoffs. It was so obvious that a rule was put in place the next year about the situation. So yes if the Colts would throw a game the RATS certainly would.
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    That's for the Division. Probably time now to concede that we'll need some very lucky breaks to win it and focus instead all of our collective thought waves on Texas Stadium next week to help the resurgent Cowboys beat the Ravens and give us a shot at winning out and taking the Wildcard.
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    That's a lot to think about. I just boil it down to: after today, we need to get lucky to win the Division, but the Wildcard is ours if we win out and the revitalized Cowboys beat the Ravens next week in the final regular season game at Texas Stadium.
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    I like to think that I can hold my own with most statisticians, but that's awfully complicated. How about: the Division is a crapshoot, but the Wildcard is our's if we win out and the Cowboys beat the Ravens next Saturday. I think the Cowboys have a 50% chance of beating the Ravens and I think we have a 50% chance of winning out. Multiply. That's 25% with a lot less math. Much easier on my brain.
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