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Did The Branch Issue create a Wedge Between Brady And Pats FO?

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  1. SCPatBoy

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    Watching the last two games I just can't help but wonder if BB won the Battle with Branch, at the cost of making our Franchise and Star QB disenfranchised with the Franchise......I mean I will be the first to say that I supported BB/Pili 100% in the Branch ordeal. I did that though not knowing truly what Brady was really feeling. After seeing his passionless and erratic games the past two weeks, I can't help but wonder if Brady's convictions about wanting Branch back were stronger then everyone realizes. I mean I know what he said in the media, but I wonder if he fought hard to get Branch back and is now pissed about not having his favorite pass catcher back. Maybe he is trying to display his displeasure. I hope that it isn't the case and that it is just going to take some time to Gel, however people are kidding themselves if they can't tell that Brady is not himself right now! I'm not just talking about missing passes(Barely 50% for 2 weeks) I'm talking about the leadership and fire he has provided in th epast. Brady has always been the glue through it all and I just hope BB hasn't weakened that glue with the Branch deal...
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    no........
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    What a load of crap.

    Competitors, COMPETE!

    Grow Up.

    And if you are right, then grow up Tom, and be a big boy. S**t happens.
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    Tommy's too smart for that. He may miss Branch but he understands why the FO did what it did.
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    Please tell me we are not in for a whole week's worth of threads like this.
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    Th ereality of it is, Tom has never been a selfish player. He has always put the team first ( Money, Stats etc..). If there was anyone in this league who could ask for the moon and have every one except one or two teams in the NFL ready to give it to him, it would be Brady.......Maybe this once he really wanted to keep that constant in Branch in the fold.....I can say that if Brady really wanted it, then they should have worked to get it done.I think it is important for a QB to have his favorite target, even if we don't agree. BB had to know that Brady wanted Branch back badly, Maybe Tom feels like he has given and now !!!
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    OK...is it SCPatBoy's bedtime yet? Because this is such a waste of time.

    Did they not "work to get it done"?
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    Brady is a very private person.

    Maybe someone close to him is ill or terminal?

    Maybe there's some personal issue we're not aware of that's got his head messed up?

    Even his post game press conference, he's a guy who usually looks folks in the eyes. But today he seemed fidgety, his eyes were darting all over totally not concentrating well on his surroundings. Very weird. I think we'll find out something this week.
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    Can you please grace us with your superior football intelect and educate us on what is going on, since you have clearly demonstrated yourself as a mature, educated person........................................Coulkd you grow up and don't post to a thread if you don't like it.....That is the Big thing to do!!
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    There is only 1 thing I would consider here...the rest Brady is too much a professional to not overcome.

    when Brady renegotiated his contract I knew and others knew there would problems down the road with that. then Seymour gave it a go...got an extra million and got renegotiated duiring the season.

    Who are the 2 players showing the most emotion over losing Branch?

    Brady & Seymour .... well I wonder why? They are both guilt ridden...not that they lost a good player, they are used to that. they lost a real good guy and a real good friend because they couldn't wait for their $$$.
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    I will repeat...NO.

    Brady is used to a certain comfort level. He's a perfectionist. He's working with guys who aren't perfect yet. But he's been there before, he just needs to take what BB is giving him...;)

    FWIW they asked Jonathan about the story in the Post I think that Borges was harping on today that Deion was approached by a player high up in the pecking order (translate Tommy) and told last week that they were willing to work on a deal but only if he lost Chayut. I fully believe Tommy and Deion had that conversation. I also think hearing it repeated is what Tommy was talking about when he said he has learned his lesson about getting too caught up in a situation. And Jonathan said there is NO WAY the FO asked him to do deliver any message.

    I think with this running game and a mostly solid defense save some loss of focus and attention to detail midway through what was almost a laugher through the first half, Tommy will be fine once he and all those new weapons get their timing down. They just got ahead of themselves today and tried to do some things they aren't quite ready to do in prime time. It will come.
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    No, I think Brady is in a rut right now and the Pats are getting their act together with the new personnel. They don't have a lot of receivers right now and other teams are hurting Brady with the blitz.
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    no....lets wait till the bye week and see..i expect the receivers to better after an extra week of adjustments and learning...
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    Branch was his friend. He knows it's business but.........................................





    He's human. Plus he has to break in 3 new receivers and he doesn't like playing lousy.

    That's it. That's all their is.
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    He may be human, but Brady is also a highly-paid professional who needs to start playing, thinking, and acting like a professional. I would also recommend backing of from the constant giving of interviews. Tom plays best when he is "part of", not when he is trying to carry the team, either on or off the field.
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    I believe it's customary for the QB to give post game interviews.

    I'm sure BB would like the new policy, as long as he didn't have to give interviews either.
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    No it's Troy Brown as #3 QB who haunts Brady's dreams, he knows he will be demoted before the season is over, while Troy leads the Pats to victory in the Super Bowl and goes on to be the winningest QB in NE history. Next year Tommy will be traded to Kansas City for three #1 picks and Trent Green.
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    i think your're right and was telling my wife, and explaining to her exactly what you mentioned, the fire is missing.
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    Brady has said himself that he is very emotional, and wears his heart on his sleeve. He cares very much about the game, the Pats, and his team mates.

    Regardless of how it happened, who is at fault, or why, Brady appears to have a broken heart. Perhaps its missing Deion (and Willie), perhaps its the loss of his image of the perfect team, perhaps its a loss of faith in the FO and ownership, perhaps its all of the above, or something else.

    If he is unable to 'just get over it', if he continues to play without fire, and passion, if its just going through the motions, what then ? Not everything that gets broken can be mended, and not everything mended is as good as new.

    He is professional, and perfectionist enough not to want average to be his everyday reality and his legacy, even if his average is much better than the best of other QBs.

    All we can do is wait and see what happens, and hope he can work it out.
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    I finally saw a whole game this season and yes, I agree with you about the passionless performance in parts of the game. I don't know what the reason for that was, but I was glad to see that Brady still was able to get that fire back at crucial points in the game, notably towards the end in the drive that ended with a blocked FG. In other parts of the game, specifically in the start of the second half, he did look a bit mentally tired. The spark didn't seem to be there. Fortunately he got back to his oldself just in time and we are now 2 and 0.

    I hope this next game in Denver will be a catalyst towards seeing the Brady we know and love for the whole game instead of just parts of it. With that said though, the main reason the game got close was because of poor tackling especially on Coles' TD.
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    Once we start winning these threads will stop. Oh wait, nevermind :rolleyes:
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    Fortunately, Dillon and Maroney hated Branch and are running with wild abandon.

    They are so happy to see him gone, they're playing with tremendous fire and emotion.

    I hope we don't have to trade anyone else to keep up their intensity level.:D
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    Dear God in heaven this bullcrap amateur psychobabble has got to stop. If you want to know what a bad QB looks like watch the replay of the Dallas-Redskins game. Tommy is fine. He is trying to transition an all new WR corps with the exception of 85 year old Bingo - and even he made a poor sight adjustment on one throw today. This is a highly cerebral sight adjusted (pre and post snap) offense. Until they all see the same thing and make the correct adjustment it will be a little dicey.

    Tom was just fine in the first half. And in the 4th quarter he led them on a 16 play 8 minute clock killing drive that included 3 straight 3rd down conversions on pass plays. GET A GRIP PEOPLE.

    If you want to know what a really bad QB performance looks like be sure to watch the replays of the Redskins at Dallas or Miami hosting Buffalo or Denver hosting KC or Arizona visiting Seattle where you will see QB's including former probowlers or MVP's with established elite WR's absolutely suck.
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    Ugh, do we really have to suffer through this kinds of threads every week?

    It's pretty simple: Brady has played like feces for the better part of the first two games. Yes, Branch being gone more than likely has had a role in Brady's poor performance. However, it's just that - a role - and nothing more. The onus is on Brady's arm here, not some psychological flib-flab about taking less money and not getting his main target resigned as a result.

    Just let the man get comfortable throwing to one of these new guys before diving off the deep end and turning this whole thing into an soap opera.
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    He does the 'standard' amount of interviews during the season. 1-after the game and 1-on Wednesday. This is NFL policy for the QB's.

    The Felger interview was BEFORE the season and I doubt you see him do anything aside from his standard schedule from here on in. LY he did do the Costas interview, but that was the SI Sportsman of the Year award and in that case, I think it was a good exception.
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    Okay, That's it. Time for a timeout for you. Go stand in the corner for five minutes.
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    I've thought about it that way. Brady made it clear that he wanted Branch so for the team not to have brought him back there must have been good reason, I think Brady is pretty understanding of the nature of this business. After all, his own rise to stardom came by (rightfully) claiming a starting spot from an injured player.

    I also agree with the first posting that Brady does seem a bit different in some way... but to automatically say it's the Branch situation rules out a lot of likely possibilities-- he's probably got something going on in his personal life.
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    What you all seem to be missing in your denial of Brady's problems is just what he is wrestling with.

    Yes its Branch and Wille and team mates he knows who are friends, but it doesn't stop there. With this action the writing is on the wall not just for Tom but for all the guys, which is probably why they are so upset. Yes they say its for Branch et al, but its also for themselves.

    The other guys realize that when their contracts are up they are going to have to leave. Why, because they can get better money elsewhere and the Pats have shown they don't care and will let you go. Doesn't matter if the Pats think its overpaying, if the market supports it, thats what they will expect. Some will stay, but others won't.

    Branch's departure is essentially their funeral dirge. They are sad because they were hoping they would be different and the team would keep them -- its human nature to think you are special. Branch's departure is like a wet fish in the face: doesn't matter who you are they will not pay more for you than for a cheap rookie.

    The players are not playing for charity and if they can get a better deal somewhere else they will probably have to take it, and if they don't their friends will. Yes they care about the other guys, and probably know that staying with BB is the best from a football perspective, but especially if you have a couple of rings, and the Pats effectively spit in your face, you will go.

    Brady is in a different situation. Much worse. Even if he can physically stay another 7 years, his talent may not last that long (can we say Brett Farve). So he has a limited amount of time to use his gift. What the Pats have basically said to him is that every couple of years he is going to have to go through this, because the receivers he is in synch with are going to leave. So he is constantly going to have to throw to scrubs. Once he gets the good ones trained they are going to be gone (Troy is the only one who has not left). The new CBA prevents teams from singing longterm rookie contracts.

    The team basically said it didn't care about Brady when they did this. I think previously he really believed the BS they hand out about team, and self-sacrifice, then they turn around and say 'business' and kiss good players off.

    If Brady's receivers have training wheels every other year or every two years he can kiss his chance at true record book greatness goodbye. He may not have that as a specific goal but he does want to be the best and perfect, and as his last 2 outings show, even though we won, he has not been anywhere near his level of acceptable. Its like he is having a rookie year all over again - trying to get the throws right based on different heights, speeds, etc....

    And if you looked at him sitting on the bench on the sideline staring into space, there can be no doubt that he is not happy. Hell, he usually doesn't sit on the bench when he is actually in the game.

    What did Peter King say, that when Brady gave his Post-Jets press conference, even though he won, he sounded like his dog had died.

    Its not just us, people around the league are noticing it too.
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    They don't have to leave. They can make millions here. They can make even more millions elsewhere. When they decide they have enough money to live comfortably, they can choose (as free agents) to play wherever they will be happiest. So they should not be sad at all.

    If making more millions with Tennessee catching passes from Kerry Collins and losing week after week makes Givens happier than making fewer millions catching passes from Tom Brady and being a New England hero and winning more games than losing, that is his business.

    But it is his free choice. He ded not "HAVE" to leave, and neither will Ty Warren or any of the others. They can decide how much money they need and how much they want to be here.

    Some guys will always want 52 million rather than 49 million, no matter what team they are playing for. Some guys have more fun winning. The fact is that if you can find enough guys who want to win more than they want the extra few millions over five years, then a team can pack more good players under the cap and win more games.

    Every one is happy. The guys that want the money get the money. The guys that want to pack a team with well but not extravagantly paid top-flight players get to win more games.

    Why is this such a problem?
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    Sorry for dragging this one further, but I picked up something reading the Globe today.

    Brady said something to the effect of "you can't throw four years of offense at a player in a week."

    Notice how he says four years of the offense? Not 3. Not 2. Not 5. Not 15.

    Who had four years of the offense under their belts?

    Deion Branch and David Givens.
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