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  1. DarrylS

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    Did Bush signa a Bill that did not pass, was it intentional or did bumbling staff just give him the wrong one?? What the hell 2 billion more or less does not make much a difference any more...

    [url]http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Congressman_writes_White_House_Did_President_0315.html[/url]

    Congressman writes White House: Did President knowingly sign law that didn't pass?

    RAW STORY
    Published: Wednesday March 15, 2006
    Representative Henry Waxman (D-CA) has alleged in a letter to White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card that President Bush signed a version of the Budget Reconciliation Act that, in effect, did not pass the House of Representatives.
    Further, Waxman says there is reason to believe that the Speaker of the House called President Bush before he signed the law, and alerted him that the version he was about to sign differed from the one that actually passed the House. If true, this would put the President in willful violation of the U.S. Constitution.


    There will be people who dismiss this story because of the source, but it is also posted on Waxman's web site..
    http://www.democrats.reform.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1022
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    It seems like the wheels are coming off this administration. The Republican Party is very close to being in disarray. When you consider that it's the party of every man for himself, it's no wonder that mistakes like this happens.
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    First, although W. is not my favorite example, there is no way that any bill not passed by both houses of Congress should have ever seen its way to the desk of the President of the United States. This would be a Congressional error, not an Executive one. The Congress passes the laws. If the law didn't pass both houses, why was it sent to the President for signature? This stinks like hell! This says the Congress is in total disarray.

    Second, Every man for himself is exactly what this country is all about! The rights of the individual, the capabilities of the individual, and the success of the individual supercede any majority will of the population. That is what makes America great......DUH!
  4. DarrylS

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    I do not know how anything makes it from Congress to the Presidents desk, but doubt if a congressman brought it there. It was probably brought there by a page or something like that, but congressman do not deliver mail. Did you read Waxman's letter? It seems that George signed the wrong bill, not sure who to blame but it seems more like an executive faux pas as he should be aware of what he signs.
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    I am not sure if individual greed is what makes this country great. I believe you made your assertion based on Adam Smith's "invisible hand" theory where economic decisions based on self-interset are transformed into common goods via some invisible hand. I believe you were also referring to the system of Liassez Faire capitalism which is the foundation of our economic system.

    However, modern economists have since debunked the "invisible theory" that individual greed leads to common goods. That is why you have our government regulates monopoly via anti-trust laws. That is why the NFL is so successful because they have a "socialistic" model where richer teams help the poorer teams. That is why the military stress teamwork rather than every man for himself. That is why Americans overwhelmingly approve the social security system and Medicare.

    What makes this country great, from my perspective, is that it is the "land of opportunities". Through sheer hard work and determination, you can still achieve your dreams and prosperity. It is the "opportunities" rather than the "greed" that is what makes America great.
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    More info on this, apparently this is not a dead issue.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/14157929.htm

    Group sues to block budget law that never passed HouseBy Jonathan WeismanWashington PostWASHINGTON - For anyone who took fifth-grade social studies, how legislation turns to law always seemed pretty simple: The House passes a bill, the Senate passes the same bill, and the president signs it.
    But last month, Washington threw all that old-fashioned civics stuff into a tizzy when President Bush signed into law a bill that never passed the House. The bill -- in this case, a major budget-cutting measure that will affect millions of Americans -- became a law because it was ``certified'' by the leaders of the House and Senate.
    After stewing for weeks, Public Citizen, a legislative watchdog group, sued Tuesday to block a law that aims to cut $40 billion over five years, charging that Bush and Republican leaders of Congress flagrantly violated the Constitution when the president signed it into law knowing that the version that cleared the House was $2 billion different from the Senate's version.
    The issue is bizarre, with even constitutional scholars saying they could not think of any precedent for the journey the budget bill took to becoming a law. Republicans are evoking an obscure Supreme Court ruling from the 1890s to suggest that a bill does not actual

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