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    Sorry if this has already been covered, but did anyone notice that the officials went to hockey-style substitution rules in the second half?

    As I understand the rule, if the offense runs in a late sub, it must give the defense a chance to counter, and the defense is immune from a too-many-men penalty. Moreover, the officials may, at their discretion, warn the offense at the possible penalty of delay of game if they try it again.

    Those rules generally only apply, however, if the offense substitutes. If the offense keeps its same personnel on the field, the defense just has to either keep its personnel on the field or risk a too-many-men penalty. At least that's my understanding.

    What the officials did today in the second half, however, was hold the ball before setting it -- even after they wound the play clock -- and let the offense sub and the defense counter. They gave them a very short period of time, but they would basically point to each sideline and allow subbing and counter-subbing without allowing an immediate snap. This was clearly done in response to the gamesmanship on both sides in the first half, and neither coach acted upset, so either the coaches agreed or the refs decided and told the coaches before the half started that's what was going to happen. But it was interesting. I didn't know the officials had that discretion.

    Kudos, by the way, for a very very tight crew today in a game that was as hard to officiate as any so far in the playoffs, particularly in the first half.
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    Interesting point, the constant battle to catch the other guys subbing did seem to disappear in the 2nd half. For that matter -- sorry if this was already discussed -- anybody else question the Jets' decision to burn a timeout to avoid a 12-men call when the ball was already inside the 1-yard line? It would have been a 12-inch penalty.

    All in all, it's a rare pleasure to say thanks to the officials for a clean, quick, well-officiated game.
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    Glad you mentioned that.
    Can anyone remember a better-officiated game?
    (Possibly Hochuli's crew.)

    One of the very few times i screamed in outrage,
    this ref (Vinovic, is he?) even picked up his colleague's flag!
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    Give the umpire lots of credit too on the lateral. It's easy to blow the whistle there without waiting to see whether or not the head linesman has forward or backwards on the play. The umpire can't possibly tell whether it's a forward or backward play, so he's got to keep a lid on the whistle until knows what the linesmen call is, but that's easier said then done when the ball hits the ground.
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    That was a really unusual aspect to this game, but it just speaks to the preparation of the refereeing crew in addition to the coaches/players. I also noticed Penny jumping back out of his own huddle to avoid a twelve man huddle situation during a personnel change in the first half. Great situational awareness on his part, I thought. Despite his lack of overall skills, I like him as a player.
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    This came about because of the Colts/Jets game earlier this season. The Jets would sub on offense and try to quick snap the ball while the Colts were counter subbing. They got a few calls out of it and after the game (as usual) the Colts complained.
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    It was one of the rare rules put in to counter the Colts' own style, and they felt very hurt when Mangini and Chad picked on them.

    Thumbs up to Vinovich and his crew - Triplette bumbled his way through Indy/KC, thank you Lord for small favors.

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