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  1. DarrylS

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    Very interesting comments from Dick Cheney in 1994, this you tube interview echoes the concerns of many who post here.. it is only 1:22 so spend a minute and a half..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
     
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    yes, Cheney's words back then have been well documented the past couple years... the right wing media has been just about as silent about that damning bit of hypocrisy as the forum here has been...
     
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    A quagmire, yes, but think how profitable it has been to Cheney and his friends, and it will be that way for a long time.
     
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    you've gotta hand it to the guy. He had a theory back in the 90's, and as we all know a theory is only as good as the experiment that proves or disproves that theory.


    Cheney's theory was correct! Lets all thank him for his vision.


    Honestly....This is the FIRST time this man has been correct. Bravo Dick, BRA-VO!
     
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    Who was in power in 1994? A democratic Clinton right? So his comments should make sense to everyone. Think social security in the 90's versus SS in the 21st century.
     
  6. DarrylS

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    So he did not say, "invading Bagdad would create a quagmire"?? I don't get it and how you throw Clinton into this??
     
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    GJA,

    we've been through this...don't you know ALL of the bush administration's problems actually are the fault of Bill Clinton? I hear William Kristol, and Rove say that....so it must be true.
     
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    Relax, and take a deep breathe.

    Dems in power in 1994, they talk tough cuz that's what admins in power do. Cuz the admin takes the tough approach, the not in power party has to take the X position, to their Y. Are you following me? I mentioned SS because it's something I've refferenced in here a bunch of times, in how it helped open my eyes to the X Y scenario. Clinton in the late 90's in an SOTUA talked about the dire condition of SS to which the GOP laughed. GW enters power and talks about the dire condition of SS and the Dems laugh. Get it now?
     
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    real world, that example only applies in your mind. it's pretty flimsy evidence to say [dem/rep] "laughed" after [x]...
    can you provide more concrete examples to prove your admin vs. outsider theory based on no truth?
     
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    Heck, I remember a lot of libbies (including your good friend, Dan Rather) being especially tough on George Bush Sr. for not marching all the way to Baghdad in 1991 after the rout of Iraqi forces in Kuwait. Rather said something to the effect of (paraphrasing from memory): "Our forces were only 2 hours from Baghdad where they could have gotten Hussein. Why didn't they do that..?!? It would clearly have been the smart thing..!!"
     
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    So invading Baghdad was the wrong move to make because Clinton was in power and was the wrong person to do it? Because we now have a brilliant strategist in Bush, it's a good move?
     
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    Sheesh. Does anyone have that Bill Bert (sp?) WEEI music handy? I'd like to make it auto play when the above makes a post.

    :D Um, hello?

    Social Security tops Clinton State of Union address

    Traditional speech given amid impeachment drama

    January 19, 1999
    Web posted at: 9:48 p.m. EDT (2148 GMT)

    WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, January 19) -- President Clinton delivered his annual State of the Union address Tuesday before a Congress torn over impeachment, outlining a bold plan to bolster Social Security, save Medicare and create new 401(k)-style retirement accounts for American workers.

    ...........

    Top priority: Social Security

    Saving Social Security was the main focus of the president's speech. Many Republicans have eyed the budget surplus for tax cuts. but Clinton stated other plans.

    "First and above all, we must save Social Security for the 21st century," Clinton said.



    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/01/19/sotu/

    January 14, 2005, 8:07 a.m.

    “Save Social Security First”?

    Just a few years ago, Democrats talked about a crisis they now deny exists

    "What should we do with this projected surplus?" Clinton said. "I have a simple four-word answer: Save Social Security first."

    Soon Clinton was going around the country, touting a coming Social Security "crisis." All of his administration's economic achievements, he said in February 1998, "are threatened by the looming fiscal crisis in Social Security." There should be no new spending — or, more importantly, no tax cuts — "before we take care of the crisis in Social Security that is looming when the baby boomers retire."

    A number of Clinton's arguments back then sound uncannily like Bush's today, if one makes a few adjustments for newly revised figures on Social Security's finances. "We have a great opportunity now to take action now to avert a crisis in the Social Security system," Clinton said, again in February 1998. "By 2030, there will be twice as many elderly as there are today, with only two people working for every person drawing Social Security. After 2032, contributions from payroll taxes will only cover 75 cents on the dollar of current benefits. So we must act, and act now, to save Social Security."


    http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200501140807.asp


    House GOP Dumps Social Security Reform

    By Juliet Eilperin and Helen Dewar
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Saturday, April 24, 1999; Page A2

    House Republican leaders have decided not to push on their own for a major overhaul of Social Security before next year's elections, virtually dooming prospects for congressional action on the issue in the 106th Congress.

    The decision came in the wake of an internal party poll showing that a congressional battle over Social Security could hurt Republicans in the 2000 elections, when they will face a tough fight from Democrats for control of the House.

    Responding to reports of the GOP leaders' decision, President Clinton yesterday criticized it and asked the Republicans to reconsider. The Republicans said they would do so only if Clinton takes the initiative to reach a compromise.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/security/stories/security042499.htm


    Lott Expects No Action on Social Security

    Associated Press
    Monday, April 26, 1999; Page A8

    Congress will not act this year to revitalize the Social Security system because President Clinton has failed to lead the way, Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) said yesterday.

    Lott also predicted Congress will add as much as $6 billion to Clinton's $6.05 billion emergency request to finance the conflict in Yugoslavia. The money will come from Social Security's surplus.

    House Republican leaders spread word last week among GOP members in the House that trying to overhaul Social Security before the 2000 election campaign could involve too much political risk without strong Democratic involvement.

    "Once again, we need some leadership from the president," Lott said. "He backed away from real reform of Medicare. He's really proposed nothing on Social Security."


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/security/stories/security042699.htm
     
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    This thread is the 9,987th time a stupid thing done by Bush or one of his cronies has been covered up by some righty yelling:

    'CLINTON!!! CLINTON!!! CLINTON!!!'

    on this sub-forum.


    Stick around kiddos, I'm sure they'll go over the top this evening. Rumor has it that there'll be punch and pie to celebrate.
     
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    The very first post that started this thread was a quote from Dick Cheney from 1994. It's not exactly a stretch to talk about the political situation in the country at that point in time.
     

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