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  1. QuiGon

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    What would you call a white lawyer that did everything he could to throw the book at black defendants, but also did everything he could to get white criminals (who have commited crimes against black people) out of jail as soon and as early as possible...? I don't know about you, but I know I'd call that guy a racist scumbag.

    So why do people give Deval Patrick a free pass when that's exactly what he has been doing for the past few decades...? Just substitute "white" for "black" (and vice-versa) in the above paragraph and you have a perfect explanation of Deval.
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    What did Patrick do to "throw the book" at white defendants?
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    Any links?
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    Thank god I am from RI.. we don't have to make choices like this... still very integrated when it comes to elected officials.
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    The double standard that exists certainly does upset me. However, I think that we also need to consider that White's really never feared being convicted simply because they were white, whereas our history clearly shows the prevelance of racist driven judgements versus blacks. I don't have a problem with people raising legitimate concerns of racism with respect to specific trials. What I have a problem with is racially driven rebuttals. It seems that Patrick was one of those who simply wanted to support his fellow black man. He seems to be of the same cloth as the fraud Jesse Jackson & his fony friend Al Sharpton. These clowns defend anyone and everyone who is black, just because they are black. That is wrong. They are frauds, and I'm begining to believe that Patrick is a fraud too. I heard him attempt to explain himself on this topic, and he's sounds like a guy who's covering his azz and is not being truthful.
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    Deval Patrick is a Racist

    DEMOCRATS ARE HOMOPHOBES

    Liberals Are Nuts
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    Deval Patrick very aggressively pursued convictions in the south of (white) arsonists accused of burning black churches - and I fully and 100% support throwing any scumbag that lights a church on fire in jail for a long, long period of time. But then, for some inexplicable reason, he wants to let rapists and cop killers out of jail and get their sentences reduces.

    With Deval Patrick, criminal justice depends on the color of your skin. Although I will give Patrick some credit: He has defended some white scumbags in the past.
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    Its actually judges and juries who decide who goes to jail and for how long, not lawyers. Some in this thread seem a bit confused about that.

    Since some of you don't approve of how Patrick selected his clients, how should he have done it? Alphabetically? Should he have looked at the dockett and started with A Aaron Anderson and kept defending until he reached Zanzibar Zulu?
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    Sure it's judges and juries, but it's lawyers who try the case. He, and no one else, decided to defend convicted scumbags. He chose to defend the admitted cop killer, and to support that scumbag rapist. Of course, when his actions come to light, and he's afraid to admit his actions, he lies about how far his support truly was. The guy scares me. If he had such piss poor judgement, then why would I want him in charge of my state?
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    Well then its a good thing he stepped up. You make it sound like the criminals wouldn't of had any defense at all if he hadn't. You do know that no defense means no trial and that the judge has to let the guy go altogether?
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    Um, I guess you don't read much. The cop killer had already been sentenced to death when Free'em All Deval showed up to get him off of death row and down to a life sentence with a chance for parole. I wonder if he'll be out in time to celebrate with Governor Patrick. So a cop killer, who murdered a father of 3, should have been fried, but instead, he's had 2 parole hearings and is possibly going to walk the same streets as the wife and 3 daughters who's father/husband he killed. Great! When can I vote for this clown?

    AGAIN, HE CHOSE TO DEFEND ALREADY CONVICTED FELONS.

    Please drive thru.
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    You righties and your child molesters. You like to defend them:

    http://news.bostonherald.com/localPolitics/view.bg?articleid=160971

    An ex-Florida prosecutor brought to Massachusetts by Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey’s campaign to criticize Deval Patrick’s defense of a cop killer is himself a longtime friend and business partner of a convicted child molester, according to published reports.

    Attorney Tom Hogan Jr., who prosecuted the Carl Songer murder case in Florida, is the business attorney for Travis Lee Sanders, a manufacturer with a long rap sheet that includes a conviction for videotaping himself having sex with a 14-year-old girl.

    According to a 2004 report in the St. Petersburg Times, Sanders has a criminal record dating back to 1970 that includes charges in three states for assault, theft, patronizing a prostitute and sexual battery on a minor.
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    So I guess that makes what Free'em All Deval did as ok. Hogan could be the biggest looser on the planet, but HE'S not running for governor, Patrick is.

    Excerpt:


    “An attorney chooses his clients, and an attorney chooses his cases,†Hogan said. “Mr. Patrick chooses to represent not victims but murderers on death row.â€

    He also blasted Patrick’s successful appeals argument that Songer didn’t get a fair trial because he wasn’t allowed to present evidence of his “good character.â€

    “His good character consisted of years of drug abuse, years of violation of the law, and being incarcerated for auto theft at the time of this murder,†Hogan said.
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    Either we're serious about the Bill of Rights or we're not. You can't say that its Constitutionally required for a defendant to have representation if you're going to turn around and ruin the life of the person who does the representing.
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    Tardo, are you paying attention? These clowns got their day in court, and were convicted to sentences. Free'em All Deval strolled up and decided to fight to lighten those sentences, and even get an ADMITTED COP KILLER a chance to be free. Why? Cuz he said he never got a chance to say what a good little boy he was before he shot, and murdered in cold blood, a husband, and father of 3. Hello...anybody home? These clowns got their day in court. They were convicted. Free'em All decided they were nice people, "good 'ole country people", who should be free. Well, his judgement was beyond aweful. He will never get my vote, and anyone that would vote for him should be commited. His actions not only show how loose he is on criminals, but it shows how bad his judgement is. A governor has to make sensible decisions. I cannot trust that he will do that. Matter of fact, I'm scared that he may attain the responsiblity.

    It's Mihos or Healey for me. Even if I have to flip a coin to decide.
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    Ok so you wanna make some major changes to the court system then? Because under our current system all cases are subject to appeal all the way to the top.

    As it stands now we got a thing that resembles a pyramid with the supremes on top, the regular ol' boring courts on the bottom and things called courts of appeal in the middle. Since everyone gets but one chance at the 'wheel of justice' you're proposing, which 2 of the three shall we abandon? I'm guessing the regular ol' boring courts would be your preference since I'm sure you've spent enough time in 'em to be familiar.

    The real question I have for this one shot, one kill approach to criminal justice of yours is how would it apply to rich guys like Cheney? You do realise that he got an OUI conviction overturned on guess what? Appeal!!! Oh and I'd also like to point out that the first court in the vote theft of 2000 ordered a re-count, it wasn't until the Repugs got their second day in (the Supreme) Court did they get a result they could be satisfied with.

    And once again Patrick didn't decide anything in the cases you keep babbling about. He advocated a position and a Judge or a Parole board or a Clemency Committee made the decision according to the law. Not according to weather Deval had 'dreamy' eyes or some other ridiculous power that you've invested in lawyers.
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    I live in Connecticut now so I am not following the Mass Gubernatorial race. But I hear Gerry Callahan ranting about Deval Patrick on 'EEI on line. So I guess it must be true...that he's a racist!:rolleyes:
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    Not only Callahan, but Fred Smerlas and DeOssie on the big show, so you can be sure that it is all factual. Heard something about Callahan and Holley debating this issue on EEI @ 9 this am, be interesting as Callahan cannot hang up the phone on Holley, but he can outshout him.
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    For what it's worth, the Carl Songer case was one of fairness, namely that under similar circumstances, defendants had only received life sentences. There were numerous mitigating factors.

    Unfortunately, I couldn't find Deval's Federal Appeals Brief online (though I'm still looking), but this was from the appeal to the Florida State Supreme Court.

    http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...df "Carl Ray Songer"&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4


    "(two statutory mental mitigating circumstances, and youth) but was also character related and background related. Under the influence of extreme mental and emotional distress, substantially impaired in his capacity to appreciate criminality, or to conform to the requirements of law, chemically dependent, emotionally retarded, introverted, and without family support at the time of the offense, Carl Songer, at the time of sentencing, was mature, insightful, remorseful, was a model prisoner and a role model, was concerned for others rather than concerned for himself, had developed strong and real spiritual and religious standards, and was completely unselfish and nonself-serving in his words and deeds."

    Each of these points are documented in extreme detail in the brief, but the fact that he had been a model prisoner, found God, was helping other prisoners, etc. for 14 years while he was on death row makes me think this case was similar to the Karla Fay Tucker case. Perhaps if Songer was white, some of the right-wing religious groups would have intervened. (Maybe they did?)

    "Mr. Songer's sentence of death violates the eighth and fourteenth amendments, and Florida law, because it is a disproportionate sentence, in comparison with other similar cases. Persons who show what Mr. Songer showed at sentencing simply are not put to death, and this Court's, opinions which represent years of monitoring the administration of the death penalty in Florida, attest to the proposition that if Mr. Songer is executed, the death penalty truly strikes like lightning.

    "As the sentencing judge found, Mr. Songer proved three statutory mitigating circumstances, and seven nonstatutory mitigating circumstances. No case has survived proportionality review in this Court when the appellant proved these three statutory mitigating circumstances, and that includes cases with plenty of statutory aggravating circumstances."

    So the basic argument was here was a man who had all sorts of problems and terrible life, made a horrendous mistake by committing a murder that was not premeditated. He then spent 14 years on death row becoming a model prisoner, who helped from the inside other prisoners straighten out their lives and learn English. Under similar circumstances the courts have ruled that such people should not be sentenced to death, but instead to life imprisonment.

    If you believe in legal fairness, then you must assume the that Federal Appeal's Court ruled fairly. The fact that that court backed Patrick suggests that there was a very, very strong case for granting Songer life imprisonment.
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    We all know that ONLY white republican conservative christians are capable of Racism.
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    Who wants to change the court system? I am talking specifically about Free'em All's personal decision to aide convicted and admitted murderers and rapists. The man CHOSE to defend these people after they had already been convicted. I have no problems with our court process. However, I am all about accountability. If I chose to go lighten Charles Manson's sentence after he's convicted, I should expect to be held accountable publicly for my own decision to do so.
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    Gerry Callahan is a right wing lunatic who excuses everything GOP. In his eyes the GOP has never done anything wrong. Thankfully John Dennis is a normal joe.
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    Holley never showed up. I like Holley too. I was a big Neumy fan, and had my doubts when Holley first stepped in, but he's darn good. He's very realistic about issues as opposed to being biased like most on those shows. It's quite refreshing to not hear constant homerism for a change.
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    See, this is one of my biggest problems with liberals. How on earth is a life sentence for the cold blooded murderer of a 25 year old husband, and father of 3, legal fairness? Why on earth should this man EVER see freedom again? Tell that to wife and 3 kids. You lunatics have no soul. You think that loosers rights are more important than justice. That scumbag should be strung up by his ball bag and stoned to death by the deceased family. A life sentence for cold blooded murder is legal fairness? You are crazy and deranged.

    Liberal judge.
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    I would be surprised if the Federal Court of Appeals in the South was particularly liberal, and remember, they're charged with evaluating the constitutionality of the issue. If other killers in similar situations got life imprisonment, why should this guy be singled out for the death penalty? It's a matter of fairness under our Constitution. Besides, it's not like life imprisonment is a joy ride.
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    Cold blooded murderers should be destroyed. This isn't manslaughter. This man gunned down another human being in cold blood. He should die, period. I can't fathom why anyone would want to allow an admitted cold blooded another opportunity to one day walk the streets. Fairness? What fairness did the cop and family recieve? The Consitution is there to protect the people, not reward cold blooded murderers. In the days of those who wrote the constitution people like Carl Ray Songer were hung. The man was sentenced to death as he should have been. He deserves no mercy for the crime he committed.
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    A life sentence (without parole) takes a criminal off the street and ensures they'll never harm society again. That is the purpose of our justice system - to keep people safe. Revenge is not part of the equation. Parole, on the other hand, should be completely out of the question, and without parole a life sentence is just a delayed death sentence.
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    Pujo, Carl Ray Songer has had two parole hearings already. TWO! The man should have been hung, fried, shot, stoned, drowned....you get the picture.
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    No disagreement from me, justice wasn't done in this case.

    My point was that when someone commits even the worst crime imaginable, justice can be served without putting that person to death. Parole, though (or any process that allows the criminal to ever see daylight again), should never be a possibility.
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    I totally understand your point. Your position is one of life in jail versus capital punishment. No issues there. I just find it bothersome that individuals like Patters feel that justice was served. To me, this guy ever walking the streets is outrageous.

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