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Dennard pleads not guilty - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston
Saw this. Hope BB knows what he is doing. Innocent until proven guilty, of course, but shoving a cop (if true) doesn't exactly show the kind of mental prowess and smarts needed to succeed on the Pats.
Corey Dillon, baby.
Agreed, but there is also Albert Haynesworth, baby...
I did not realize until today that it was an off-duty cop, which may (or may not) change things a bit. Does anybody know for a fact that the officer was in uniform and working off duty at the bar? Or was he in plain clothes and just happened to be at that location?
Dennard has already paid a steep price: the difference in his contract from being drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round and being drafted in the 7th - not that the court system is (or should) take that into consideration.
On the other hand Dennard also got ejected from the Capital One Bowl for punching Alshon Jeffrey. Combine that with his (a) being at a bar just before the draft, and (b) not just turning and walking away when the situation arose, that does give you reason to question his decision making capabilities.
So the cop was off duty.
He may not have known he was a cop.
the offense third degree. I'm guessing there are no lasting injuries for the cop.
He may have pushed him.
He was in a bar 5 days before the draft.
For all those that have him pegged as a serial killer I'd advise against conjecture before all of the facts are known.
I'm rooting for the guy.
True, but Fat Albert has a long history of crappy behavior. From all reports, Dennard seems like a good guy who made a bad decision. As someone who had their fair share of foggy nights in college, I think it's pretty easy to see how this could have been a situation that spiraled out of control. I also haven't seen any affidavits describing the encounter so tough to evaluate what really occurred.
Not a fan of bringing bad apples into the Pats. Gotta say Dennard isn't one of my favorite Patriots and probably never will be.
That said, he will likely plead the case down to a misdemeanor. Look at Kendrick Ellis from the Jets. He beat a guy to a bloody pulp and only got 45 days in jail and a misdemeanor. What Dennard did was not nearly as bad. He is likely to get a slap on the wrist.
I hope for his and the Pats' sake that this was an isolated incident and he is more of a victim of circumstances rather than a bad egg. I am a little leary of him, but knowing it was an off duty cop involved in the incident does change things a bit. Still not excusable if Dennard is at fault, but a little less bad.
Exactly what I was going to say!
Also, he was a 7th round pick with 2nd round talent (late 1st in some mocks) not exactly a lot of risk!
Totally agree with your statement. I'm in Omaha, 50 miles from Lincoln, and this was the first time I've ever heard of Dennard being in trouble while at college. Believe me, the Huskers are the only thing we have around here, so when something happens it makes the news quickly.
Hes not really a bad apple though...for reasons pretty well summed up already on this thread. By all accounts, he got into a ruckus, someone grabbed him from behind, ununiformed and he reacted...unfortunately the ununiformed guy happened to be a cop.
As already said, his coaches speak nothing but good of him and he was a leader on that defense. He plays with an aggressive streak and excels in man coverage. He's very vocal on the field too.
He'll become a fan favourite and one of the steals of the draft very quickly.
I was surprised when I actually saw this video--it was a pretty wimpy "fight" and it seemed like Jeffrey was more aggressive. Not saying they shouldn't have gotten kicked out, but it was pretty minor--less than a good-old Matt Light scuffle.
except everyone knew Dennard had a reputation for doing that type of crap, and Alshon had a reputation for being one of the best sportsmen in all of college football. I wonder if Dennard had the guts to apologize yet, or if he is too much a coward.
Could Supafly or others w/ knowledge of legal proceedings explain: is submitting a Not Guilty
plea SOP before agreeing to a lesser misdemeanor charge? I kinda ass-umed that a deal
would've been reached before the hearing today. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Look where the hell the charge originates from....looks like he went to court, the cracker off duty cop wanted blood, he wouldn't budge so there was no plea down...now the kid goes to trial if no one with an ounce of sense steps in and works out a plea...they better have their i's dotted and t's crossed over there in Lincoln, Nebraska because the national media is scopelocked on this now...think about it, who the hell pushes a a simple assault case when the cop is now found to have been off duty and the case is a "he said/he said" People's Court brouhaha? Add to that no previous contact or history with the police as far as Dennard's enrollment at the U. of Nebasketcase goes and speculation on the merit of this charge will emanate from all over.
a plea deal is normally worked out before this but it's not unusual for it to get worked out later on
when else has Dennard acted like that? I don't follow Nebraska much so I honestly don't know.
Dennard plead not-guilty today simply because he has not come to the step in the process yet where the D.A./prosecutor would offer him any kind of plea bargain deal. That will happen at a later date. They're pretty much just going through the motions right now.
The later date could be sooner, or it could be later, depending upon the approach both sides want to take. In other words, Dennard's defense attorney may find it in his client's best interest to postpone the process 2 or 3 times if it would allow his client to finish out the season without any distractions.
In the same vein, they could also get it 'done' sooner, so that there is the possibility that it may be taken care of before September (my guess).
Since there are several stages of the legal process, these first couple stages are usually nothing more than a technicality. That's why last time he "waived his right" to the hearing, b/c it was simply a hearing to determine if there was enough evidence to move forward. Almost every time there is, so there was really no reason for he or his atty to waste their time in the initial stage(s).
If he were to plead guilty today, he'd have faced some potentially serious charges with the 3rd degree felony. That's pretty much why he had no choice but to plead not-guilty at this early of the process. Within the next step or two of the process, the D.A. and the defense atty will sit down, or communicate back and forth on a plea deal.
An important thing to remember is that pretty much 4/5 (80%) of all cases at any level for any crime are plead down to a lesser charge in exchange for a guilty plea. That's where the whole "bargaining" aspect comes into play.
As long as Dennard can get it reduced just one step (I imagine they have their eyes set on something more substantial like disorderly conduct etc, but I doubt they will get it that low) to a misdemeanor, he will pretty much get a slap on the wrist. After all, he is young, and it is his first offense.
Hope this helps, sorry for the long-windedness
Did Dennard have a bad reputation prior to this instance? If so, I was not aware of any negatives on his character. Getting into a minor scrap on the football field at the HS or NCAA level isn't really that big of a deal, is it?
Yes, he didn't show good judgement just weeks/days before the draft (my biggest concern), but then again we don't know all the details either. And even if he WAS a problem child on some level, that does not mean that he cannot grow up in this atmosphere pretty quickly and focus on his talents. The NEP locker room probably has a way of rubbing off on young and impressionable kids...just a guess.
A much better question that many of us are asking is "how does he look as a CB?" If Dennard can be anything close to servicable and offer the kind of press man coverage that we need around here, then he will be a steal no matter what.
To me, choosing him in the 7th rd was almost a no-brainer. The talent level is there, the tape is there, the quality competition level is there...all vs a low risk pick in the 7th round. Even if he doesn't work out, I think the risk/reward is worth it on a large magnitude.
I hope this guy brings some swagger and toughness to our "high character" secondary. And i really couldn't give a **** about his character with our recent success of drafting CBs.
I'm going to have to be completely honest and say that I agree with you 100%.
At this point I don't know if we can really stick too much of a negative label on him anyway; but even if that were the case, as long as he can put that past him and play his position the way we need, I'm all for it.
I think it's the players who tend to be locker room cancers who you need to worry about more, and I don't see the relationship to Dennard with his actions.
The Patriots need some nastiness from the linebackers and secondary. Not thuggery but nastiness.
He got into an altercation with someone NOT in a police uniform.
Call out an international tribunal at the Hague.
Larry Bird and Paul Pierce, amongst others, were not stains on their teams.
It does seem pathetic that he has been arraigned on charges of assaulting a police officer who wasn't on duty or in a uniform...but that's the police for you. They're the same everywhere. Always on a power trip...from what my American friends say out there, it's ten times worse than it is here..and here it's bad enough with some people. All depends on the cop you get I guess.
He got into an on field scuffle once with Alshon Jeffery but I loved it...we lack aggression in that area of the field and this guy will bring it. He's always loud, you know he's there, he can hit and he is probably the best guy out of this year's draft class when it comes to being able to press and knock his man off his route. Over aggression can be a concern but that gets coached out of you soon enough.
I've always tried to distinguish between question marks on "personal character" and "football character." "Personal character" is about risk: is this guy going to flame out? Get suspended? Etc. "Football character" is a predictor of on-field success: is this guy going to put in the work to achieve his full potential? Be a positive locker room influence, and make the players around him better?
There have been a lot of comparisons between Dennard and Kenrick Ellis, based on outstanding criminal charges. But Ellis was also perpetually out of shape and in his coaches' doghouse in college, getting kicked off of one team and suspended from the next. IMO that's the bigger red flag for a successful NFL career.
By all indications this incident was an aberration.
I think Belichick is taking Bo Pelini's word on Dennard's true character. I pegged Dennard as my dark horse pick as a long term impact player early on - with the one caveat that he's able to avoid jail time over this (unfortunately I think they tend to be ultra harsh in assaults on police officers.)
If he can stay out of prison, I think this guy is gonna be good - good player and good character. I know I'm pulling for him!
Hopefully the judge is willing to listen to evidence of this kid's true nature.
New England Patriots draft pick Alfonzo Dennard has his supporters - ESPN Boston
If everyone hasn't read this it's a must read before commenting on his character.
another judge might care
but you hit a cop
you're going in
It's not his fault.
Yes, that would be SOP if the parties hadn't had time to work things out yet. Now they have until whatever trial date the Court set (or final pretrial hearing if that particular court operates that way) to work something out. Where he had the unfortunate "luck" to shove a police officer (off duty or not), the "victim" may have more of a say as to what happens in this case than in others. They may also be trying to let Dennard get established in his new home/job, and if he is able to stay out of trouble for a while, it will be easier to let him go with a slap on the wrist. Unless they are offering something really good up front, it is smart of his lawyer to let some time elapse between the offense and the trial date/plea hearing, provided he is confident his client can stay out of trouble.
yeah...OK, Good Will Hunting...(gotta wake up pretty early in the a.m. to bamboozle the ol' Joker)
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