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    #80 Jersey

    Back in the day, when Republicans ruled and fear ran through the blood of every american, the GOP gathered. They decided that supply side economics, deregulation and tax cuts for the wealthiest americans was the best option for our nation at the time. They passed much of this legistlation with reconciliation. They stood together and stayed on message. They voted in lock-step and challenged those who dared to voice an opposing opinion as 'unamerican' or worse....that they 'hated the troops'...


    now look....at the spineless Democrats....so sad

    They have 60 members, and need only 51 to vote for a healthacre bill that they claim to want, have campaigned on for over 20 years and can't seem to come together on this.


    Time to forget Republicans, like they forgot you guys. Pass the bill YOU want, they are not on board for any of the bills that have come out thus far...so fukc 'em.


    be like the Republicans of the Bush years.
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    That's fine but many Democrats will then be unemployed.
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    Democrats should become Libertarians or Conservatives instead of pubbies, so should many pubbies. Being Socialist is a dead end.
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    We should remember, Republicans used reconciliation to pass tax cuts...which Democrats like Feinstein even voted for. They didn't use reconciliation to pass a trillion dollar bill that would change the healthcare landscape forever.

    It's not really comparable, when looked at in that light.
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    The tax cuts were much more fiscally irresponsible than the health care plan, however.
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    Why? lower marginal rates spurred economic activity and frew government revenued, which were foolishly spent.

    Another entitlement program will seriously hurt the economy.

    Please provide an example where a government entitlement program did not cost at least 5x more than original projections. :rolleyes:
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    LMAO, for something that's estimated at $1T remembering all these programs are underestimated by at least one order of magnitude.
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    Wait...WHAT?

    Come out from under that rock, and into the light...
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    Actually, the Baucus plan, FWIW, it projected to reduce the deficit over 20 years.

    LMAO, try again.
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    Tough to argue against such a cogent argument.
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    Gosh, maybe you knee jerk GOP'ers should try, I don't know, educating yourself sometime.

    BTW tax cuts do not increase revenue. That's one of the oldest myths in the book.
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    Use your brain. You can't add 30+M to the rolls of anything and have it cost less. The savings they claim they'll find won't materialize, if they were there they could have been saved years ago. And tax increases have a very spotty record of increasing revenue.
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    The reason the republicans have started climbing back up the ladder is they are acting like democrats.
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    Blaming the economy crash on Bush's tax cuts is disingenuous at best. As if the tax cuts had ANYTHING to do with the housing crisis and the horrific loan practices. Give me a break.
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    Really, well Reagan cut taxes and revenues grew 3x over the course of his administration.

    Revenues are tied toeconomic growth, that is why revenues have fallen thsi year due to the reduction in GDP.

    Facts are stubborn things, so is the economic ignorance of liberals and socialist.

    How bout an entitlement program that didn't run way over budget projections? Any moreignorance to display?
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    Actually the Congressional Budget Office disagrees with you.

    I'm glad to know that the savings you claim they'll find won't materialize. Where did you get your degree in Economics, again?
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    #80 Jersey

    oh my...


    all I'm saying is that the Dems need to cut out the republicans from this debate. Attempts at bipartisan reform has yielded nothing but non support and stalls.

    Pass Healthcare insurance reform

    Own it

    and deal with the results.



    The republicans passed deregulation, and tax cuts....



    it failed



    the economy suffered, we bailed out banks and insurers



    they lost the house, senate, and white house.


    I believe that a smart bill will be more cost effective, and cover more people. You'll see a happier electorate (minus the tea-party birthers, who will not vote dem no matter what)

    there isn't much to lose here DONKEYS!


    go get it.
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    Talk about a straw man argument. I called them more fiscally irresponsible; I didn't blame them for the current economic recession. Though they certainly make it all the more difficult climb out of our current predicament.
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    Is that why even Bush economic advisers agree that cutting taxes does not increase revenues? So much for your "facts."

    Most entitlement programs do run over projections, though that's as much to do with changing demographics as it does anything else.

    But you tell me: With health care premiums set to double again by 2020, what is your solution? I'm sure you supported the Bush tax cuts and the War in Iraq (as if cutting taxes for the wealthiest of Americans right before you fight an unnecessary war isn't irresponsible on its face). I'm sure you also supported Medicare part D, since there was a Republican in office when it passed.
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    Tax cuts have proven over a number of different administrations, to both increase economic activity, and grow gubmit "revenues". Where tax cuts become irresponsible, is when the gubmit takes those increased revenues, and spends them like drunken sailors. Tax cuts should be met with fiscal prudence.

    The Baucus bill is gross. It hopes to garner funds by taxing, and feeing. Anyone with a pulse understands that increases in taxes and fees are always passed along. Raise taxes on ACME, and ACME increases the price of it's widgets. Raise fees on ACME, and ACME simply charges more to it's customers. Robbing Peter to pay Paul, is gimmick politics. The bill does nothing to actually lower the cost of healthcare.

    As for the thread topic, the dems won't pass it themselves, cuz they don't want to be responsible for it alone. They know the plan is unpopular, and IMO, know it's going to be a failure. Afterall, they want, or the leaders of the left want, a single payer system long term. This plan is a bridge to get there, and when it happens, they don't want to be the only party people are pointing their pitchforks at. Of course, their plans suck so far. They don't do anything to thwart the rising cost of care.

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