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  1. mcgraw_wv

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    Yep, I just heard that as an ad on the Radio. The Ad started out saying Obama voted against partial birth abortion kids who survied, "how wrong is that, he doesn't represent our values", then it goes on to say, "Congressional liberals don't even believe in Christmas"

    LOL... How low can they go?
     
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    Their first mistake is to label all democrats as liberal. As far as politicians go, it should be illegal to use the term "liberal" when all they are referring to are democrats. the terms are not inter-changeable.

    Liberals are not democrats and democrats are not liberal. At least by a vast majority. Less then 10% of democrats are "liberal". Even Massachusetts democrats are moderate by a vast majoity.

    I debated someone from WalMart how they owed it to Christmas shoppers to wish them a Merry Christmas 2 years ago after they forbade their employees from saying it.

    I told them, "Hey, Christmas shoppers are the key to your success during the holiday season. They are the majority and the ones you owe special thanks to" The next year, they were saying "Merry Christmas" once again.

    Please note, nothing about my opinion or feelings were based in religion. Just pure ecnomics.
     
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    I don't believe in God and I still celebrate Christmas. I don't see it as a religious holiday, for me it is a day about family and friends.
     
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    Hey, im a Democrat and I believe in Christmas. Actually I dont believe in the holiday, I believe in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who died on the Cross and whose blood atones for my sins.

    Just sayin, im a Democrat :)
     
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    Thank You,Thank You, Thank You Because in this forum and in most peoples minds Democrats equal liberals, which of course is not true. And Republicans are not all neo-cons. But the steriotypical views keep rolling along. But again, here on this site the myth that if your a Democrat it means your a LT. wing liberal moonbat is perpetuated continually.
     
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    thanks for sharing Lifer! Yes, I believe God blesses democrats and republicans equally. Just as he does not favor the Patriots over the Colts this Sunday!;)
     
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    I think republican strategists started labelling all democrats as liberals during the Reagan or Bush Sr years. In all honesty, it worked very well for them even though it was a lie.

    Unfortunately, the practice remains even today.
     
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    And dont forget when people say "Democrats dont believe in Christmas" or "Liberals dont believe in Christmas" or "God" that there are a ton of Black Christians out there. Its funny how the media forgets that all the time and labels all Christians as White, Right Wing Conservative nutballs.
    I started off as a Christian going to a Black Church in South Carolina. I can tell you 100% of them believe in God, In Christmas, In Jesus, are Evangelical, and will be voting
    for Barack Obama.

    In fact, I wont say Obama will win South Carolina, but watch his %. You'll be amazed how close it will end up being. Georgia too.
     
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    But the dems are not doing themselves any favors in dispelling that myth given the candidates that win the Presidential nomination. Gore, Kerry and Obama are as liberal as one can be and still be labelled sane.

    Well maybe with the exception of Gore, he seems to get crazier by the day. :D
     
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    That is an excellent point. I too find it funny that the media portrays it that way. But it isn't just the media, it is many liberals, some on this very board past and present that label them that way.

    Consider gay marriage for example, if you oppose that on this board then you are automatically labeled a neo-con. When in fact the overwhelming majority of blacks opposes gay marriage and don't forget the Hispanic population either. It isn't as clear cut left vs right as many make it out to be.
     
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    It's all relative. You probably would not have supported the conservatives of 70 years ago, who opposed the GI Bill of 1944 that granted troops their basic benefits they have today, and would have opposed the conservatives who fought against equal rights for people of color. Conservativism has evolved. So has Liberalism. What the Republicans have succeeded in doing to some degree is keeping a time warp alive where Liberalism today is exactly the same as it was in the late 60s. Things have changed. Liberals have certainly discovered the political advantage of fiscal prudence; they have largely changed on gun control; they are far more respectful of troops in the same way they treat other oppressed groups (favor helping them); and they put more emphasis on the middle class than on the poor. Gore, Kerry, and Obama only appear so liberal because the Republican Party, bandying about ridiculous accusations that Obama is a Marxist, a Socialist, a Muslim, a friend of Arab and American terrorists, etc., is so bizarrely extreme.
     
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    I most likely would have been a democrat in the 60's. I agree with some of what you said but don't completely see it that way.

    I won't get into Gore and Kerry, it is old news. But Obama most definitely associated with an American terrorist and by what I can tell is a good friend of his. He was clearly at that function supporting Khalidi, and I'm sorry but that is a far cry from the counter argument that McCain chaired some organization that gave his group money 9 years ago. There is a big difference between making a conscience decision to attend and speak at a toast of a PLO supporter and chairing a group or possibly even ignorantly "approving" a grant that went to that group. I'm not saying it was right giving them money, because it wasn't. But there is no proof that McCain was aware of what the group actaully was or if he even actually made the final approval.

    I will say this and I truly believe it, if Obama was a republican or a democrat who was not the "pick" of the media, he would have been crucified long ago. People made a huge deal about everything Bush did in his life to include being a recovering alcoholic and that he possibly did coke once. But yet, Obama being friends with a terrorist isn't a big deal or worth looking into.

    Not to be rude but lets not get into what one party labels someone from another because the far left are as vicious and in too many cases as dishonest as they come.

    If you can't see the double standard then I don't know what to tell you. I am voting for McCain, but I won't be in a state of euphoria if he wins.
     
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    Are you for real? Obama grew up in an urban environment where the politics ranged from moderate to far left. He had some dealings with the far left, just as McCain and Palin had some dealings with far right. There is no evidence that Obama is in bed with the far left other than the fact that he was on a committee (funded by a Republican leaning charity) on which Ayers also sat. The committee addressed educational issues. Beyond that, there aren't even any photos or gossip columns about Obama and Ayers. If they were such good friends, you'd think there'd be more info around.

    As far as Khalidi goes, Obama is on record as disagreeing with him, but it's true he knows him a little bit. McCain sat on the board of a far right group, Palin's husband was a member of a secessionist party. Why do you assume Obama is some sort of radical, but not McCain or Palin? What about your double standard? And, again, as with Ayers, the evidence is only that Obama has had a few limited dealings with him. The vast majority of Obama's friends and relationships are with mainstream thinkers. Why do you think so many Republicans leaders have endorsed him, not only Colin Powell, but conservative intellectuals like Charles Fried and Francis Fukuyama (a leading neocon), and many others. Do you really think those people are being fooled by Obama?

    Welcome to Republicans for Obama | Republicans for Obama
     
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    that's ridiculous. you don't celebrate christmas. you celebrate festivus or something. the holiday is about Christ and if you don't believe in him or God, then you can't possibly celebrate christmas.
     
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    most democrats don't like Christians or Christianity. that's the surprise of the century. :eek:

    rather, democrats believe in pornography as a form of free speech and legalizing marijuana. democrats also believe that our troops our dumb because they didn't go to harvard or yale.
     
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    I'm a Democrat. I believe that this country is for THE PEOPLE. Not your specific sect, all the people. I agree with Madison and Jefferson that we should have a separation of church and state.

    Of course I "don't believe in Christmas." Why would I? I'm not Christian.

    Now: I don't particularly dislike Christmas or Christians. Were I in a primarily Muslim country, I would have no objection whatsoever to a majority celebration of Ramadan. I would, however, object to a theocracy being established where I must celebrate that holiday by one means or another.

    Obviously Muslim-majority countries run the gamut between secularists such as Turkey to theocrats such as the Iranians.

    What I am concerned with is America.

    Since our founding fathers, some of whom loved Christianity and Christmas, decided neither has a place in government, I am inclined to agree with them.

    Do I characterize this as "Republicans hate America?" Do I characterize this as "Christians hate Democracy?"

    No.

    Some Republicans act contrary to the founding principals of this nation. Many would like to change those principals. Ditto for some Christians, and for that matter, some Jews.

    Does anybody else here get the difference?

    Ask yourself: Do you consider Politics to be inextricably defined as an act of hate? Or is there something better to be hoped for?

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    i don't believe in forcing anyone to be christian either. however, like you said, if you were in a muslim country you would have no problem with their religion(they may have a problem with you though). similarly, this was a nation founded by christians on christian principles. you must respect that. democrats want to alter our history and pretend that christianity is not important.

    also, there is no separation of church and state. it's not in the constitution or bill of rights. the first amendment ban on laws respecting the establishment of religion means exactly what it says - no national religion is to be recognized by congress. just because the Supreme Court ruled that way 60 years ago doesn't mean it's true. if there is a separation of church and state, then the very dollar bill in your pocket violates that ("In God We Trust"). In fact, Jefferson, whom you speak of, was not in the U.S. at the time the bill of rights were amended and adopted. It's not in the Federalist Papers either, the series of essays written by the Founding Fathers encouraging the ratification of our constitution.

    it is the democratic elites who want to eliminate christianity from our government because they don't like it.
     
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    All democrats aren't liberal but 99% of liberals are all democrats.
     
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    Where did you come up with this absolute garbage. This country was founded on the freedom of religion,and its in the FIRST AMENDMENT if you want to take the time to read it CAREFULLY. And because some fringe element that has to make everything Politically Correct doesn't want Christmas themes in public doesn't make them democrats. And if they are democrates their not main stream but again a fring element.
     
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    yes, freedom of religion. that means not imposing your religious views on someone else and free to worship as you please. however, the democrats believe in freedom FROM religion. big difference. you still haven't explained to me why we have In God We Trust on our dollar bills.
     

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