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    Re: Barney Frank says Democrats are trying on every front to increase the role of GOV

    I think that's true. I think that's what we need. Government far more than business is run by the people and government far more than business is transparent. When we give taxpayer dollars to business, we have no idea how it's really spent, and businesses are far worse than than government, carrying vastly more debt (and very often going under) and keeping vastly more secrets. In my opinion, conservatives are naive in their attitude towards business. Because big business is allowed to keep secrets, they think big business is more honest than government. That said, there's certainly an extremely important role for private enterprise and wealth in our economy, but an elected government needs to have more clout than Wall Street.
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    Re: Barney Frank says Democrats are trying on every front to increase the role of GOV

    Yes...as long as they don't increase gov't's role against the will of "We the people" and decide on their own that I'm gonna owe them more tax dollars. Don't tell us we owe gov't more money....ask us and we'll let them know if it's ok.

    They work for us and WE have the power, not vise-versa.
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    Re: Barney Frank says Democrats are trying on every front to increase the role of GOV

    When our economy was stronger, we had a much more progressive tax system. From 1964-the present, the maximum tax rate went from 91% to 28% and with it came about massive disparities in wealth and massive federal debts. The rich stand to gain more from a strong economy, so they should pay more, and it's expensive to run our country, so we clearly need to raise more money.
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    Re: Barney Frank says Democrats are trying on every front to increase the role of GOV

    I just threw up in my mouth.
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    I basically hold the Jeffersonian beliefs: as small a Gov't as possible. Personally I'm not a fan of socialism. I just don't think the Gov't should be wasting so many tax dollars. I don't believe in getting involved in Foreign affairs, I have no doubt that if the Gov't hadn't been busy "liberating" people, joining fights, spreading (forcing) democracy on nations, etc that people wouldn't hold the grudge the do against this country.

    I'm just sick of being told what to do, what to believe, what rights I no longer have, what I can/can't do with my own property, how much money I need to give the Gov't to fund wars I don't care to support, what I can/can't do with my hard earned money, etc. I'm not going to argue that our country was ever "ideal", it's always been a hypocrisy. It's just getting worse every year.
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    Could you clarify this, particulalry the first 4 phrases... sounds all well and good, but most of us do pretty much what we want to do..
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    All the most developed countries have high taxes. When taxes are low, it means that the government is weak and that other groups--drug cartels, big business, radical groups--can fill the power vacuum. What would you cut from government, and now that government has some massive debt, how would you pay it off? Taxes are nothing but rent for the benefits you get from a nation, and I think we get an enormous number of benefits. I really think our nation is the greatest in the world and in part because taxes have have paid for a lot of good things.

    I believe in big government provided its very transparent. Obama is taking some good steps in that direction, but more needs to be done.
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    I've lived my life, this country has been very good to me, I hated school, I left in the 9th grade, I went to work when I was 15 and never looked back, I have raised a family they to have done well but now I fear for their children, this country is rapidly turning into a place that I don't think I would want to grow up in, I see disaster in the not to distant future, I always remembered what Nikita Krushev once said when Communism was our big enemy, he said "we won't have to fire a shot to destroy America, America will destroy itself from within" now all one has to do is look around it's happening, this "Token President" we now have is bringing it about a little faster but as you all can see each day we are rotting from the inside out.

    GOOD LUCK, YOUR GONNA NEED IT.
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    Harry Boy (genius) tell us what's different for you now. For when you go out for walk, water your garden, turn on your tv, go for a drive, go hunting, flirt with your neighbor, flirt with your wife, make a phone call, post a message in a blog, what really is different in your daily life? If you took away the propaganda from the right and left, never went online, and never read a newspaper, I think the only big differences you would notice is that there are more people.
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    I believe just about everything should be legal. You can't take drugs because it's bad for you. You can't pay for sex because it's "Immoral" and "wrong" (do they even have any other excuses?). You can't gamble because "you might lose money". Free speech is actually limited (FCC, Public decency, sexist laws - for instance, a guy can be shirtless in public but a woman can't). The Gov't tells business what they can/can't do (disabled laws, smoking laws, etc etc). Why can't a guy who owns his own restaurant in his private land allow patrons to smoke if they want? Customers don't like they can go eat somewhere else.

    I could go on listing things or hours. The Gov't should not intrude on our lives. It's just ridiculous. As for crime, it would drop dramatically if our Gov't legalized drugs/prostitution. It's insane, tons of people smoke pot - lawyers, congressmen, police officers - yet they turn around and put other people in jail for smoking pot. It's hypocritical.
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    I could take my wife and children on a hot night and sleep on the Charles River (without getting my throat cut)
    My wife could leave our 3 month old baby in a Baby Carriage outside of the Manhattan Mkt in Central Sq and the baby would still be there when she came out.
    We could pay our rent out of one weeks wages and still have some money left over (I made $35 a week on my first job after getting married, my rent was $18 a month.
    Another thing the Cambridge people did on hot nights, go window shopping pushing a baby carriage at 2:00 AM down Mass Ave.
    I worked my regular job days and drove a cab in Harvard Sq at night, my wife baby sat a neighbors child, in three years I owned my first home, I could still pay my mortgage out of one weeks pay.
    I could work and my wife could take care of the house and the children, we didn’t ship our children of to Holding Pens (day care) their Mothers took care of them.

    Those are some of the important things there are many, many more little things, but I am a realist I know time and things Change, nothing is forever I think those days were better because I lived them and I compare them with some of the things my children and grandchildren go through today to survive and I fully well know that My Time Has Come And Gone, it’s a whole new ballgame, my Father said the same to me about ‘his time’.

    I drove through Central Sq not long ago and said to my wife “remember in 1948 you used to leave the baby out there on the sidewalk while you shopped” she just stared at the building where the old Manhattan Market used to be and said nothing.

    I know I’m probably wrong, my Granddaughters are always laughing at me, but when I talk about “my day” they always listen.

    I really do believe that things are getting out of control today in our country.

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    Re: Barney Frank says Democrats are trying on every front to increase the role of GOV

    I think we had this discussion some time back. I also believe that the maximum tax rate should be raised. But I don't think the tax rate upon those earning less than $250/yr should be raised at all.

    I'd never agree with a 91% tax rate on anyone....ever!

    In order to ensure we never again have a deficit, I'd like to see;

    1. Gov't get SMALLER, not larger
    2. A law passed that makes it uncontitutional not to balance the budget annually
    3. Tax reform
    4. Creation of a general fund into which excess tax revenues during boom years would be collected. This could be used during recessions.

    Just like we can not live with a health care system that's costs esculate dramatically each year, we can't have a gov't that does the same exact thing.

    Why would any American want that?
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    Re: Barney Frank says Democrats are trying on every front to increase the role of GOV

    It's expensive to run our country because we allow morons and azzholes in DC make many mistakes years after years. I'm tired of paying their bills.

    I work for myself NOT the government. I don't want to be a slave of the government for the rest of my life.The government supposes to work for us but some of us decide to work for them.

    If you want to work for Obama, please leave me out of it because i don't want to be a part of any your changes.

    If Obama decided to persecute you down the road, i would gladly do it for him for FREE or a small fees.

    Stupidity should be a Federal crime and the punishment is EXECUTION. It's time for us to start shooting these retards publicly so that others can get their sh!t together.

    Why do i need to suffer because of somebody's stupidity?
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    Re: Barney Frank says Democrats are trying on every front to increase the role of GOV

    I'll hazard a guess that you think abortion should be illegal, though, don't you?
    And you'd spout me the right-wing rhetoric that life begins at conception and all life is sacred.

    How's that square, NEP?
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    Re: Barney Frank says Democrats are trying on every front to increase the role of GOV

    Abortion should NOT be illegal. If a woman decides to do it for a reason, she needs to do it in the early stage.

    I don't want to see abandoned kids. For the love of God, you need to take care of your kids if you bring them to this world.Do I answer your question?
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    Re: Barney Frank says Democrats are trying on every front to increase the role of GOV

    You do, thank you. Sorry for the stereo-typing. I usually try not to do that to people and I apologize for doing it to you and will let it serve as a reminder in the future not to do it again.
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    Re: Barney Frank says Democrats are trying on every front to increase the role of GOV

    ahahahahahahahaha!

    If I ran my business, like the gubmit runs itself, I'd have been working for someone else a long, long time ago. I can't simply increase my debt ceiling by a couple of trillion, and print more money, like the gubmit can.
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    Terrific post pal, and welcome to the Political Forum.

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