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    I know some people here hate the mention of the wildcat, but we'll be facing it twice this year. By the looks of the Dolphins/Panthers pre season game, Miami has refined it a bit and Carolina didn't have much of an answer for it. Is either the 3/4 or 4/3 better suited to defend it or does it matter? Will speedier LBers make a difference? The Pats defended it well enough in the second Dolphins game last year, but Parcells isn't giving up on it.
     
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    The Pats pretty much stuffed it the last time they played Miami down there.
    It won't take BB surprise this time, though I do worry about the new "wrinkles" that have been installed.
    We'll see.
     
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    in the 1st game where the dolphins unveiled the wildcat, the defense looked more confused than I have ever seen them play under BB. I hope the Pats can figure it out. Unlike their tendency to burn out at the end of the season (the 4th quarter of the Colts AFCCG and all four 4th quarter superbowls), they should be able to remedy this with proper coaching and guys on the field with high wonderlic scores.
     
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    If I am not wrong, BB stopped it in the 2nd game with a simple solution: gap discipline.

    either the 3-4 or 4-3 can stop it.. both have their benefits and downsides.

    I would go with the 4-3 to collapse the pocket faster.
     
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    One would think the 3-4 would be a better defense against it, as the linebackers should be better able to run down the sweeps and should be harder to get trapped or reached.
     
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    We have BINGO!

    Gap defense is the way to stop the wildcat and other similar offenses.

     
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    Various related threads since search is inoperable:

    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...d/10/186807-defending-wildcat-breakdowns.html

    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/184329-nfl-com-defending-wildcat.html

    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/238163-defending-wildcat.html

    EDIT: Just realized how much heavy lifting jays52 did on this topic.
     
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    Thanks for the link. I missed it.
     
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    The Ravens used a 2 lineman 5 linebacker set to stop it.. and they basically just blitzed all 5 linebackers at different spots..
     
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    If our offense is as good as '07, the wildcat may not be an effective tool... as do not think it will work playing catch up from 3 td's down.

    It is innovative, but BB and crew will not be fooled again.
     
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    I'd be interested in reading something on how the great teams from the 1930's and '40's routinely defensed the Single Wing, if anyone knows where to find it. For me, the thing about the first Miami game last year wasn't that the Dolphins caught BB by surprise on the first series or so, but that he didn't dig into that awesome football brain of his to identify schemes from the (really) old days that were the closest thing to one of current D formations that he could have used without introducing something new during the game. I actually had the thought that if his dad were still alive, he'd have called him during the game (not sure that's legal under NFL rules).
     
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    The wrinkle with the 2009 wildcat is more than that.

    With Pat White in at QB you have a genuine threat to run or throw the ball - teams (probably the Patriots 2nd time round included) did not have to respect the pass play they just diagnosed the ball carrier and shut of his avenues.

    It will be interesting to see how the Patriots and Bill B, react to this improved Wildcat.
     
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    Isn't this the same as defensing a mobile QB in ANY formation though? When Mike Vick drops back to pass, you have to simultaneously cover receivers and be ready if he takes off.
     
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    I think Miami was stupid to showcase the new wrinkles in the Wildcat in a preseason game. It gives opposing teams two weeks before the season even starts to design ways to stop it. The real reason the Wildcat worked so well last year especially against the Pats was the element of surprise. The Pats weren't prepared for it and they couldn't come up with a plan in game to stop it, but totally stiffled it in the second meeting.
     
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    Funny . . . I seem to remember the Patriots heavily scouting Pat White . . . I can't imagine why that might be. . . . :confused: :)
     
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    I can't see how that could work with any other team though (ravens have excellent LBs). You'd normally don't want your 250lb LBs taking on 300lb OL when they are running straight at you.

    I'm guessing the 4-3 would be the best bet. Take away the run, and force them to pass with whatever RB snaps the ball.
     
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    Meh. If Pat White were a regular at receiver, I'd see how this could be an issue, but if he's subbed in, you can respond by sending in your Stop-the-Wildcat package. The real value of the Wildcat is where you can run it out of your regular offense, so you can creat matchup difficulties for the opposing base defense.
     
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    I didn't really see much in the way of new wrinkles except one time they faked a counter to Pennington that Ronnie Brown kept and hit the same hole he always hits on the "Power" play.

    They ran the Williams to Pennington flea flicker last year (and it was totally obvious that they were going to bust out some kind of flea flicker to Chad at some point).

    I think it was actually smart of them to dust that play off in the preseason. It was a reminder to the league that they can and will throw out of that formation, which should open up the run a bit since it was starting to get keyed on. The real new wrinkles will show up when Pat White takes over.
     
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