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  1. convertedpatsfan

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    Seems everyone hated this call.

    Obviously when a call doesn't work, it looks bad. But I liked the decision. It was a good call, just poor execution. If Chung could handle the ball cleanly, he would have had it. He simply dropped the ball.

    The potential positives outweighed the negatives in my mind. We had the opportunity to pick up a big 4th down, score going into halftime and get the ball to start the second half.

    The potential negative when it failed was that it gave the Jets the ball on our side of the field. But to this point, their offense had only produced 7 points and 120 yards. If the defense held, it's still a one-possession game.

    The biggest problem was the first play after the fake punt. By giving up a 16-yard run to LT, it put the Jets near the red zone. A few plays later, McCourty overpursued Edwards and gave up the 15-yard TD. But it was reasonable to expect only a FG in that situation before LT's run. Considering the potential gains vs. negatives, it made a lot of sense in that situation.

    Of course we can make easier decisions in hindsight, but I felt it was a great call, just poor execution. And there were a lot of other problems that cost us this game besides this call.
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    Given BB defends the mantra of situational football it was a very stupid idea. It changed the complexion of the match.
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    TBH, I would have used Woodhead in there, he has good hands, even if it didn't work out properly he can tackle.
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    I liked the call. In fact, I actually predicted it. It was unfortunate that it failed, but I think had it succeeded, it would have been huge. I'm not upset over it.

    What I expected to see and didn't was more emotion from Brady on the sidelines. He's usually in everyone's faces and pumped up during the game. Was surprised to see his sitting on the side almost emotionless.
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    Nah, the worse decision was to run the clock down down 10 pts. I mean isn't that what you do when you're UP 10 pts? *facepalm*
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    I liked everything about it apart from the execution on Chung's part.
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    The risk / reward was not great. Punt the ball and the Patriots start the half down 4, bad call, bad execution.
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    I don't understand the decision or how anyone can agree with it. Even if Chung doesn't drop the snap I don't think he would have picked up the first down which means the end result is pretty much the same. High risk for little reward, called for absolutely no reason.

    I disagree with the fake punt, the offensive playcalling in the 2nd half and the first onsides kick. Very un-belichick/patriot game imo.
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    Like I said in the other thread. We're 14-2, playing at home, down by 4. We're getting the ball to begin the 2nd half most likely down 7-3 and a chance to regroup. This was an act of desperation that put our young defense in a tough situation after the Jets already had 2 drives starting in our territory. Bad call.

    People can say what it should've / could've done all they want but the fact is these plays are rarely run because it's such a risk. And you're assuming a 2nd year safety isn't going to slip up in such a huge huge spot, that's a major assumption. Horrible call by BB, put faith in your team to overcome a friggin 4 point deficit regardless of the slow start.
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    Come on, do you seriously think the defense would have been fooled that Woodhead was blocking for the punter?
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    Sims said he had one whole side of the field open, he could have walked in. One guy penetrated and spooked him, is all.
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    Yeah, that was tough to watch, especially because the agony was prolonged for so long.

    Everything in football carries some kind of risk. Every throw could be an interception. Every run could be a fumble. They had a chance to turn the game around there and didn't have to take a huge chance. Unfortunately, the defense gave up some big plays after the fact.

    It looked like he would have made it easily. The hole was there.

    The play calling was questionable, though it looked like even BB was questioning it at times. As for the first onside kick, since it was on the other side of the 2-minute warning, I understand why he did it. Either way, it's not a great scenario. But it was a pretty good kick, it got through, and we had a chance at it.

    I don't think it's fair to call it an act of desperation. The onside kicks at the end most definitely were. But no one saw this coming, and if executed properly, would have worked. It is a huge risk, but like onside kicks, the rate of success goes up significantly if the opposition doesn't see it coming.

    Ultimately, there are no risk-free plays in football, or else a coach would run them 100 times in a row. But I don't think it was an awful decision. And I know it didn't cost us the game.
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    The Pats needed points after the brady INT. Playing conservative is just what Ryan would want. They just run the ball, forcing us to overplay, giving Sanchez the opportunity to make plays.

    BB didn't get stoopid all of a sudden, we either needed points from that first long drive or another way, which is the idea behind trying what would have been a succesful fake punt. Had we not been aggressive, everyone would have said we were too conservative and the jets would possibly have won a low scoring game, which is what they want.

    You have to make plays. We are not a grind it out team, we need to get ahead and have a young, opportunistic defense when we force the other team to take risks.

    Brady doesn't throw the INT after the loong drive, or Chung converts the easy opportunity, and it might be a different ballgame.

    It's not magic, Brady can't just throw against a real good defense with a smart game plan, we needed to get ahead somehow and loosen them up.
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    Belichick called the fake punt a "bad mistake."

    Apparently, Chung called the audible at the line and changed the play himself.
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    How in the world does Chung have the option of calling an audible on a punt on our own side of the field? I don't buy it. It's a horrible call. Change is on the defense for a reason. He is not a great ball handler.
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    The punter himself confirmed this on espn. Strange call -- way too risky at the point of the game
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    dumb call, no way you can defend it.

    maybe if you're on the jets 40 i'd do it but not on your side of the field. dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.
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    Putting Woodhead there won't have tipped off the Jets much.
    It was especially bad because we were not in trouble then and we were on our side.
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    what? so chung called that???how the hell does a young player like that have that type of leeway in a big game like this?

    no f'n way.
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    bizarre. I hope Chung isn't being thrown under the bus one way or the other (though he did look like **** today!).
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    He would've gotten the first down had he caught the ball. Good call by him, poor execution.
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    IMO, this call good or bad, was last on my list of things that upset me.
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    I keep seeing people say Chung would have had the 1st down like it was a sure thing but I disagree. From what I saw on the replay (I'm not going to look one up now because I don't really want to see it again!) just after Chung muffs the snap there is a Jet player running free past the LOS. It's definitely possibly he would have got it but I don't think it was ever a sure thing.
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    Gotta agree with you. There is NO need to take that risk when you're only down by 4. Going into half time down only 7-3 would have been the perfect situation for us. Instead we muff the play on our own side of the field and let the Jets turn it into a TWO score game. That two score difference is what made this game impossible to win or tie. If we're only down four, we easily come back in the second half. TRUST the defense if it only allowed the opponent 7 so far and punt the damn ball with less than a minute and a half to go. There is VERY little chance that Sanchez marches down and gets a TD in that timeframe. The Jets likely tack on a FG at the most. The Pats got a little too greedy and BB outsmarted himself on this call.
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    Stunning that Chung made the call in game like this. Maybe BB will make him sit out the first defensive series of 2011. :bricks:
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    I saw the same thing as you did and I saw the replay atleast 5 times in post game shows. I think it was Smith for the Jets who broke through and Morris was blocking him. Chung definitely wouldnt have got it if he ran inside of Morris, maybe there was room outside but Smith beat Morris and I dont know if he could have escaped. I think that was part of the reason for Chung taking his eye off the ball--because he saw Smith breaking through.

    As for the call, it was a terrible one and changed the game. Usually the team that is calling plays like this feels like this are outmatched and need to search for ways to win. You would have thought the Jets would be the team to call a fake punt. The Jets were not going to score if the Pats indeed punted, in all likelihood the Jets would have been satisfied with the 7-3 lead and taken a knee going into the half and the Pats get the ball to start. Not getting the 1st down gave 7 points to the Jets and a double digit lead at the half that the Pats could not get back.
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