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    somwhere out there far away...in the Reagan libarary .... a group of conservatives read the first two words of this thread and started cheering.

    There were some high fives

    Possibly a "woo-hoo!"



    In a few weeks, these same people will protest an abortion clinic, because NOBODY should take the life of an innocent human...



    and all the while, we....as Americans take 4 steps backwards...and inch ever so close to being as stupid as TPTB want us to be.
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    Troy Davis execution delayed

    Troy Davis execution delayed


    "While most of the prisoners whose executions we participated in accepted responsibility for the crimes for which they were punished, some of us have also executed prisoners who maintained their innocence until the end," the wardens wrote in a press release. "It is those cases that are most haunting to an executioner."

    -the former warden in charge of the Georgia death chamber.



    and more to Chico's point....


    "What worries me now is that we're looking at a martyr," said Anne Emanuel, a death penalty expert and law professor at Georgia State University. "This is the kind of case that troubles people that otherwise support the death penalty."
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    While I feel a tremendous sorrow for the family of the murdered police officer I must admit I am relieved that the execution was delayed. I only know what I've read of this case but from what I can tell, if anyone deserves another hearing, Troy Davis is that guy. With no concrete evidence and the testimony of that many eye witnesses saying they were coerced into giving false testimony, more witnesses saying they saw someone else commit the crime and even a name and identity of that other person supposedly being available - common sense says the whole thing needs to be looked at again.

    Hopefully the Supreme Court agrees.
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    Well that was just plain cruel.....

    The Supreme Court denied the stay of execution.
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    I doubt there was much the Supreme Court really could do.

    Obama and the Georgia governor, otoh, are either cowards or have no sense.
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    Funny Amnesty Intl and the NAACP didn't protest this execution today:


    White supremacist executed for Texas dragging  | ajc.com


    Indeed Bush was excoriated by the NAACP and dems even ran a campaign ad about it.

    I am glad this guy was executed, but for some reason cops killers are the darlings of the left.
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    Yes, you got it right. We think the guy was a cop killer and that is why we wanted him spared. I think such inciteful crap from you is beneath you. In any reasonable set of eyes, there's at least some cause to think Troy Davis is a victim of a miscarriage of justice and there's at least some moral justification for opposing the death penalty as a matter of PRINCIPLE. In my opinion, reasonable people who support his execution will see the balance of justice as tilting against him; unreasonable people who support his execution will see it as liberals loving cop killers.
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    Were there any doubts about whether he did it?


    either another lie from you, complete ignorance or just being disingenuous.

    Which is it, 13?

    Anyway, the word you left out is "alleged." Look it up if you don't know what it means.

    What's sad is how people like you have such utter contempt for government... except when it's the criminal "justice" system killing a person. Then you LOVE government. Regulate corporations? heaven forbid. Put somebody in jail for possession of a drug? Absolutely! (if it's the wrong drug, of course) Kill somebody who might be innocent? Fantastic! Small government all the way!

    eh, you're probably cheering, just like the pubbie neanderthals who cheered Perry. Guess that's what cowards need to feel better about their own shortcomings.
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    It's really not. It's exactly 13's level, as he has demonstrated here time and time again.
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    Chico, I think your response is uncalled for. Right now in this forum, righties are heavily outnumbered by moderates and liberals and come under very frequent attack. Given that, I think PF has shown a lot of restraint, and my hope is not to score points but to give him room to think about his comments. Your comment sort of makes that more difficult for him to do, in my opinion.
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    And I think you're wrong, obviously.

    Certain righties "attack" all the time, and they're generally the ones who get it back.

    and my comment makes it difficult for him to think about his comments? If so, that's much more of a negative comment than I could ever make. If somebody wilts under "pressure" on a message board, that demonstrates almost a comical lack of character.
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    Who here has totally studied this case? The man was given every benefit of doubt from our legal system - this is the system we have chosen and live by. Sorry for him and his family but if there was any real doubt I think he would have been spared.

    Supposedly his lawyers had numerous chance to prove his innocence and yet they could not. So some conservatives here are attacked - does that make you feel better now? Was it the fault of conservatives that he was executed?

    Troy Davis case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Judge must decide whether Troy Davis proved innocence in cop killing  | ajc.com
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    This should have nothing to do with conservative v. liberal, aside from the hypocrisy of any conservatives who pretend they want small government when really all they want is lower taxes and corporate deregulation.

    This is about fundamental human rights.

    He may very well be guilty. But there clearly is doubt, as there are many issues with the case. If we're going to have a death penalty, it shouldn't be in cases where there is any possibility that the convicted didn't do it (imo). What exactly has been accomplished here by executing him rather than imprisoning him for life?
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    Chico you were the one in the thread attacking the right ... start from the top ... you opened that door yourself. His lawyers had more chances than the usual to open the door of doubt and they could not. If he was given life perhaps that would have been better - but he killed a cop and we have laws for a reason. Killing a cop has to be penalized severely or contempt for the law would increase.


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    Actually, you didn't start high enough.

    You skipped over the completely disingenuous post I was responding to (#8). My criticism up until that was leveled at both Obama (Dem) and the GA governor (a Republican if it's still Deal).

    As for what I did write, yes, anybody who stands and applauds somebody for executing over 200 people is a neanderthal. I don't care what party they are. If you want to defend that behavior, let's hear it -- the floor is yours.

    And, yes, anybody cheering tonight is an animal, and perhaps a racist. I guess the question is, why are you presuming those people only to be on the right?


    Once convicted, "opening the door of doubt" isn't enough.


    He may have killed a cop.

    But nobody's questioning whether we should have laws against killing cops -- that's a strawman.


    That's another strawman. Unless you view life in prison as something short of a severe penalty, nobody I know of is advocating that we shouldn't have severe penalties for killing cops.
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    IMO,

    We should never kill someone without 100% certainty and DNA to back it up, if there is no DNA and no witnesses no murder weapon he should not be killed, I don't know much about the case so I don't know what all they have on him.

    Found this:

    No physical evidence directly links him to the murder.
    No murder weapon was ever found.
    The case against him primarily rested on witness testimony, which contained inconsistencies even at the time of the trial.
    Since his trial, seven of nine key witnesses have recanted or changed their testimony, some alleging police coercion.
    Throughout the trial and subsequent appeals, Troy Davis has maintained his innocence.

    Bianca Jagger: Letter to Chairman of Georgia Board of Pardons and Paroles: Grant Clemency to Troy Davis

    Sounds like they shouldn't of killed him, well the blood is on there hands if he really didn't do it......
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    And perhaps they would have - if he had not admitted that he'd been there, if there were not an abundance of DNA and evidence found at the scene at the time and if 7 of the 9 "eye-witnesses" had recanted their identification.
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    Was there ever any doubt about his guilt?? If memory serves me correctly that had an abundance of evidence of this guy.
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    Do not know the specifics of the Troy Davis Trial and subsequent penalty, but find it incongruous that the right can cheer the death of a man who may or may have not killed this police officer??

    The death penalty is anything to cheer about or make light about.. it is serious business and should be taken seriously. As much as there are those who want to cheer this event, there are more who are concerned about out methods of justice. For the theocrats who want to take over this country, it is directly opposed to anything in the bible.. so the bible also is a situational document that only is useful when it meets their agenda.

    Just the other day the Supreme Court stopped the execution of a Texas inmate who was not deemed to have a fair trial.. would Rick Perry have lost sleep over this execution??? Cannot imagine anyone not sleeping "restless" over any of these life/death decisions.

    Top U.S. court halts black man

    Find it incongruous that the right holds on to the belief that life is so precious, when they define it as so.. but for some it is less so.. the neo cons whose basic philisophy was to bomb them all and sort them out later(see the 150K women and children who were killed in Iraq).. the recent cheering of Perry's record in Texas for executing over 200 inmates.. even more recently the cheering of the example that Ron Paul used about the person who should die because of the lack of medical care.

    Cannot wrap my brain around this inconsistency and the basic belief that some life is more valuable than others, and the cheering associated with the most serious decision that a government can make. One might think that a moment of silence to insure that the correct decision was made, rather than cheering the death of people.
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    You didn't go high enough try post #2.
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    Another example of a cop killer how is a darling of the left is Mumia Abu Jamal, [/url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumia_Abu-Jamal[/url]

    Another Cop killer the left is trying to get parloled in NJ

    No Parole for Cop Killer Sundiata Acoli




    Black people who are convicted of murder and sentenced to death are victims of racism. Whites who kill people and are sentenced to death and no one cares, which is I think is good.



    It is a double standard practiced by the left. They love the race card.

    Do you love the race card?
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    It's not true that "no one cares," 13. There are huge numbers of people who oppose the death penalty across the board for everyone - black, white, hispanic, yellow, green.

    You seem to forget that most of the people close to the end of their appeal process were originally tried back in the late 80s and early 90s - and back 20-30 years ago there was a double standard for blacks and whites, especially in the south where intimidation by all white police forces and trials with all white juries and all white representation routinely took place.

    The recent execution (Buck) which was stayed in Texas - at that man's sentencing trial it was told to the jury that black people were more likely to be violent.

    That's racial, 13 - you can call it whatever you want - but it's biased and it has no place in a sentencing hearing.

    It's not a double standard - it's attempting to rectify the double standard under which the original trials took place years ago.

    It's not "loving the race card," it's loving justice and equality for all men under the law.

    You say you dislike it now - but did you love it better 20 or 30 years ago?
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    Learn to read, 13. Post 2 isn't mine.
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    Multiple strawmen, 13. which one do you want to start with?

    Your comments re the race card are about as accurate as blanket statements about the right and racism.

    Do you love racism?


    Actually, let's start with this strawman.

    Ever heard of Cameron Willingham? White or black?

    So, I'll ask the same question I so frequently find myself wondering about your posts: was your claim above a lie, borne of ignorance or simply disingenuous?
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    Darryl, couldnt agree more with this post. Ill leave the whole "right/bible/some life is precious" angle out of it, but your points are extremely valid.

    Personally I support the death penalty but only when guilt can be proved beyond any speck of doubt. While I, like you stated, don't know much about the Troy Davis case, if there is any amount of doubt as to whether he did or not, he should not have been put to death, period. That isnt what the death penalty is for.

    And for people cheering about someone being put to death...that seems to be an odd emotional response. While I could "see" it with a someone who is an absolute monster, where society is better off without the monster in it, ok, I might not cheer, but I can see "the positive" in it. For a person who's guilt is in question, not a chance in hell.
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    Russell Brewer was executed in Texas ............
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