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  1. BlitzFritz

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    What do we have to lose?

    1. WR production is down significantly this year, as proven in another thread.
    2. We have no deep threat on the field anymore. Waiving Gabriel clearly hurt this team (he must have done something very wrong, since he was NOT that bad in an area where we have too few players)
    3. Lack of deep threat is hurting everything else -- pass protection, running game etc.

    Start throwing some deep balls to Chad, a la Andre Davis or Bethel.
    I dont think I can make it through the rest of the season without a heart attack, watching our current game plans play out. :eek:

    PS the Minnesota game was possibly my favoriate gameplan in pats history. 5 wide til the last play....:cool:
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    Chad has been in the game. Brown and Caldwell are simply better at this point.

    Here's how his participation has shook out at this point:

    Vs. Texans:

    0 catches

    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2006/12/positional_grou.html

    @ Dolphins:

    Inactive with a groin injury

    Vs. Lions:

    Inactive with a groin injury

    Vs. Bears:

    0 catches
    1 run for -8 yds.

    @ Packers:

    1 catch for 21 yds.

    Vs. Jets:

    2 catches for 5 yds.

    Vs. Colts:

    1 catch for 9 yds.

    @ Vikings:

    1 catch for 10 yds.
    Touchdown

    @ Bills:

    1 catch for 35 yds.
    Touchdown
    1 run for 14 yds.

    Vs. Dolphins:

    Started game
    0 catches

    @ Bengals:

    2 catches for 9 yds.
    1 run for 10 yds.

    Vs. Broncos:

    Inactive with a hamstring injury

    @ Jets:

    2 catches for 42 yds.
    Touchdown

    Vs. Bills:

    Inactive with a hamstring injury
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    Chad has been in the game in an inconsequential role -- run blocking, or not the primary target, as stated by BB.

    Lets run some plays where he is the primary target
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    Doug Gabriel, Andre Davis, and Bethel Johnson were net negatively productive for the team (negative DVOA).

    Jackson may indeed yet work out.
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    BB, in practice, has seen that Caldwell and/or Brown are the primary target(s). It's as simple as that.
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    Jackson didn't practice last week, we can assume he did this week, so we can also assume he'll get more looks.
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    Jackson played last week, therefore he practised.
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    I thought Brady said Jackson didn't practice last week, as of last Wednesday, meaning he missed at least the first practice of the week.
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    Brady had the one press conference where he indicated Chad hadn't practiced, presumably due to his groin injury, that still left practice time later in the week. I think that was the week Graham and Brady both commented on the type of things Chad needed to do to earn more playing time, and both expressed faith in his ability to perform (even if that was missed by those disappointed with his performance).

    BB has been pretty consistent about his policy on practice time and playing time, especially for a rookie, I think it's a lead pipe synch that Chad practiced in order to get what little playing time he had.
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    Whatever BB's approach is with Jackson, I'm sure it's designed to help Jackson maximize his potential. That said, BB was very postive about Jackson on his radio show last week and I'm confident that Jackson will break out when the time is right. Patience!
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    the periodical chad jackson thread...
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    Dear Fans,

    Please stop with the Dear Bill letters. Do you really think I haven't considered these things long before you did? It's bad enough when sportswriters try to give advice.

    Bill Belichick
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    You can't put someone in just for the sake of puting him in. Clearly Jackson has not earned a significant role, and it seems he is not yet good enough to have one.

    Some people are delusional about the kind of impact he can have. He will not be the savior this season. He will not be the answer. The best options we have are already out there.
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    There's still time in the season for him to make a difference and there's still reason for optimism given his raw talent and ability.
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    Well said, for some reason there is a trend when talking about receivers to talk about their production alone.. I suspect why we have not seen more is that he is not able to make the major league adjustment to being an NFL receiver, for example reacting to blitzes and making the quick route adjustments necessary to be an NFL receiver. When he is able to make the adjustments and can react to the same page that Brady is on, then he will get more throws than he does now.
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    Re: Dear Bill, put Chad in when he earns it...

    It seems to me Belichick has this old fashioned view that player has to demonstrate that he has earned the right to get snaps, and play in the games.

    If you don't earn it, you don't play. This has allowed him to let players who no one thought were anything, to become unheralded stars. Guys like Gay, Givens, Brady, Wright, Cassel, et cetera.

    There is a old-fashioned reasonableness to reward players who show signs of improving. It also lets the players know that he really means the old Shibboleth, that the best players, indeed do play.

    It prevents problems in the locker room, on a team with lots of depth and lots of players who think they could play and are in fact quite correct, they could. But also long as he keeps to this reality, they realize he favors no one except performance.

    If Brady's favorite receiver is the one that is open; then BB's favorite players that play, are the ones that have proven they play the best, right now. :rocker:
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    Patience? You know you're dealing with New England fans, right? As with Red Sox fans, patience is not an option. There are a lot of rookies contributing in a major way in the NFL this year, like Marques Colston who even went to Hofstra.
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    IIRC they have tried that a couple of times in the past few games and he has dropped the ball. He needs to improve his concentration. He has the physical ability, certainly (won the TV "hands" competition, great college/minicamp receiver, etc.). For whatever reason he hasn't done it in a pro game which counts. Could be he is pressing, could be he gets too excited about making a play and loses focus, etc. Whatever it is I expect he will get over it soon but the coaches can only go to him so often until he proves he can perform in games. Each drop of a catchable ball can be the difference between killing a drive and scoring a touchdown.
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    I agree.
    But Jabbar has dropped balls too, and he is gettiing plays geared toward him.
    I also understand that BB doesnt think he should play for whatever reason, guys.

    The point is we have NO DOWNFIELD threat. No one who can run past the corner or safety except Chad now. (Gabriel could). So we are getting 8 men in the box and blitzes.:eek:
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    (Snort, gag.)
    PS.(Snort)
    Do you fans really think with my schedule, I have time to read all of these rediculous Chad Jackson threads on a bulletin board? Look, if the kid was outperforming the other receivers in practice, he would be playing more. He's not. I will play him when he can demonstrate to me a consistent level of performance in practice that demonstrates to me that he is ready for game play. Now please stop bugging me with these sophomoric arguements.
    BB.
    (Snort)
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    How much sophisticated knowledge do you think Bernard Berrian has? Here's a play for Chad:

    1. Run just as fast as you can down the field.

    2. When the ball comes, catch it...or make the defender commit a penallty (just like that last time this play was run...tho the penalty was clearly committed, it wasn't called.)

    Howz that?
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    Berrian isn't that fast (4.5). He runs great routes, avoids the press and has top notch technique, which allows him to be a consistent deep threat.
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    Posts like this are why I love this board.

    R
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    When are yo guys going to get it He has been injured and has not mastered the play book dont look for him to help us this year give him the offseason but for now put him on special teams.
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    Any ex collage players here?
    Maybe I am dumb but to me a WR's job is not that difficult as other positions. They call the route and you RUN IT. Brady throws the ball and you try to caught it.
    Am i missing something? If he is hurt I understand but if he's not than i don't uderstand.
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    Dude, we get that.:) So make the playbook simple for him. Deep post, Z corner, and fly. Its doable. Thats not the reason he's not getting any throws. We just dont know what that reason is unfortunately!!:(

    who knows, maybe chad will have a breakout on sunday!!
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    You are missing so, so much. You have the box, but you are missing all the pieces to the puzzle.

    Here is what goes on on your average high school / low-brow college passing play:

    (1) Play is called. Play calls for flanker and tight end nearside, split end far side, to be joined by the tailback motioning out of the backfield. Routes are to be post / chute and slant / out, respectively.
    (2) At line, flanker notices free safety creeping past his coverage spot towards the line. He and tight end begin calling hot audible. QB hears and cancels the tailback motion into doubles, and keeps him in strongside for protection.
    (3) It is now obvious the defense is in zero coverage. Outside receiver routes change to seam routes. Tight end changes to option route against sam linebacker.
    (4) Just before snap of ball defense falls back to what becomes obvious is cover two. Receivers must convert seam routes to burst routes (15 yard speed outs) from the seam. Tight end must change option route to hook to fit in gap between dropping linebackers.

    As a former cornerback it was real obvious to me what teams were running static routes and what teams were making adjustments on the fly. Shutting down the former was real easy because you could eventually deceipher what they were going to do based upon how they lined up, what the situation was, and what they did in their first three steps off the line.

    I'm going to hazard a guess that Bill Belichick's offense doesn't make use of many "just go here" routes.
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    I've always been of the mindset that BB has plans for Chad and that he's going to be our big playoff surprise. I keep getting the feeling there's more to this whole situation than meets the eye lately,more than what we know, and certainly more than BB would ever let on.
    He's talented and I'm not even sure I buy his long-standing act about still "learning the plays". If he hasn't figured out even the most basic routes by now,injuries or not,he never will.
    Obviously I refuse to let "facts" get in my way:bricks: so my opinion is Chad will play a more prominent role during the playoffs and hopefully come up big for us at that time. Opponents will just see a rookie who's had a disappointing showing thus far,and no doubt BB will take full advantage of this perception.Having made full use of Chad's injury time and talent,BB and Co. will come up with something very interesting when the time is right.
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    And here is further info on maybe why the underachieving Chad has not been featured as much as the Forum experts fantasize, "I was really focusing on getting my injury healed, I wasn’t as focused on the playbook as I am now. I’m learning the offense more and getting acclimated into the offense more. It’s getting better." Hey, he's only had 6 months of coaching on those plays. Give him time.

    Sunday would be a very good day to put the brain in gear and deliver a decent on field contribution. Move the chains a few times.
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