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    Will Moss get tagged or are we working on an extension which the Pats can only present him w/on the 29th (1st day of FA)?? The Pats have been quiet on this and most teams have tagged their guys which leads me to believe a long term deal could be in the works.
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    Re: Deadline to use the franchise tag is 4pm tomorrow

    I would be shocked if they don't tag Moss, then continue negotiations from there.
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    Re: Deadline to use the franchise tag is 4pm tomorrow

    I agree with you. They could still re-sign him to a long term contract

    after February 29th or before July 15th.
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    Re: Deadline to use the franchise tag is 4pm tomorrow

    why in the world wouldnt they tag him??? they just wont let the best reciever walk and get nothing, at 7 million and change the tag is reasonable if they dont get a long term deal done
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    Re: Deadline to use the franchise tag is 4pm tomorrow

    How insane would you go if they let him walk for no compensation?
    Would never happen but I think at least 80 percent of Patriot fans would be on suicide watch.
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    Re: Deadline to use the franchise tag is 4pm tomorrow

    I would go absolutely nuts if they let Moss walk. I mean, I'd be taking a trip to the top of the Pru.
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    Re: Deadline to use the franchise tag is 4pm tomorrow

    It would be rude to tag Moss ... he came here for a discount.
    Slapping the tag on him would be the wrong message to future
    veterans willing to come here for a year on the cheap.
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    Re: Deadline to use the franchise tag is 4pm tomorrow

    I don't think Randy will be tagged. I think the Pats will let him test the waters and make his own decision. And I believe Randy will then decide to stay with the Pats. He will only play for a team with an elite QB and a good shot at the SuperBowl. That narrows things down a bit. Also, if they tag him then I do believe it would be with Randy's support.
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    Re: Deadline to use the franchise tag is 4pm tomorrow

    This is a popular myth. Moss didn't take a discount. He was willing to renegotiate his contract in order to get traded. No one was paying him Raiders contract value in 2007. Not the Raiders. Not the Pats. Not the Pack. No one.

    And I don't think it would be rude to franchise him. I think Moss would realize he was only being temporarily franchised so that the team could negotiate with him exclusively.

    It's not like the Asante situation where the perception was the tag was used to hold him and place and milk one year of service out of him at a "discount below market" cost.
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    Re: Deadline to use the franchise tag is 4pm tomorrow

    I have a feeling there is a real chance Randy could walk.

    I think BB/Pioli are NOT going to franchise tag him.
    I suspect that they may have had an agreement that they would not apply the tag to further motivate him to produce this year.

    If he is not tagged...some team flush with cash will absolutely blow him away with a huge signing bonus. It is supply and demand. Moss is a difference maker and other teams saw what he did for Brady and the PATS offense.

    If he does not reach agreement with the Patriots befor tomorrow and he is not franchised...he will get an offer too good to turn down from another team and he will walk.
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    Re: Deadline to use the franchise tag is 4pm tomorrow

    Please let Al Davis continue the madness and not franchise Asomugha.
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    Re: Deadline to use the franchise tag is 4pm tomorrow

    I agree. Franchising him is just a start and they go from there. I'd rather sign him long term, but we can't afford to let him go, and after we let go of Stallworth, we'll have the $$ to afford the franchise tag if it comes to that.
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    Yeah i'm sure Brady would be thrilled were cutting Stalworth letting, Moss walk, and letting Washington test the waters.
    That's like a ugly guy giving a hot girl a house, car and jewelry take it away and say but you still love me right?
    Well something like that.
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    Re: Deadline to use the franchise tag is 4pm tomorrow

    Put me in the camp that says you franchise him and then go from there. I really don't see Randy going from model citizen back to malcontent in one year based solely on that. I'd still like them to get a longterm deal worked out, but my first priority is assuring that he's on the Patriots in 2008.
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    What makes you suspect that they had such an agreement? Nobody has ever said anything about it. What you 'suspect' really doesn't matter, unless there's some actual evidence to support it.

    I agree with your last sentence, but the 'if' part kind of renders it null. The if won't happen. Moss is the second most valuable player on the Pats' roster; they're not just going to let him walk.
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    Moss is the second most valuble player on the pats really.

    Sounds like an opinion and unless you have some actual evidence than your opinion really doesn't matter. :D:D:D

    There might be evidence he is one of the most valueble but I think second most might be an overstatement. I would argue that Wilfork is more important to the Patriots than Moss. Than kind of talent on the deline makes the defense work properly. While Moss made the offense work more easily it is Brady who makes it work properly.
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    I completely agree that my opinion is NOT fact.
    I offered it only because, Randy seems like the type of person who would NOT respond well to being franchised.
    I think that BB/Pioli know that Randy would not eb happy if he is franchised and having randy on a team where he is not thrilled and have to pay him a great deal of money is probably not a goood option.

    Pure conjecture on my part
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    Re: Deadline to use the franchise tag is 4pm tomorrow

    this is pro football,a business, BB and pioli arent Dr. Phil and wont worry what randy will think, they promised samuel not to franchise him i highly doubt it if they promised moss too, who would be next brady???? just let all your good players walk out the door because you dont want to get them mad or upset makes absolutely no sense to me ,and im sure to BB and Pioli as well
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    My nightmare is that the Pats let both Asante and Moss walk. I'm fine with letting Asante walk, but if both of them walk, I'm going to be livid.
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    You let him test the waters and he will be G-O-N-E........This is a business....and if Randy Moss can find another playoff bound team that makes an offer to him....he is out of here.....We will use the tag on Moss and perhaps work out a longer contract during the year....
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    I don't think the Patriots worry about whether they are being rude to players. I do, however, think that Moss will get from the Patriots as good a deal as he is going to get anywhere. Randy's "Patriots-value" is higher than his "Market-value." If I were another team's GM, I'd worry which Moss is going to show up, the 2007 Moss or the 2006 Moss. The Patriots know who's going to show up as long as TB is QB.
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    Evidence? How's 23 TD catches for evidence? Other than Brady, who was more instrumental to the Pats' success than Moss last year?... Welker? Asante? Faulk? Colvin? Wilfork? Moss had a far greater impact than any of them.
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    Its a risky game to play if you let him test the waters. A good, almost great, team like Jacksonville has an accurate & mobile QB to get him the ball and is in dire need for a game breaking receiver like Moss. Him going to the Jaguars would alter the landscape of the AFC severely.
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    I completely agree, people really just dont understand the way this guy stretches the field and completely changes the dynamic of an offense. Because his ability is unique only to him, it goes unnoticed by many and its assumed that, like many receivers, he is as good his numbers say he is. As for Vince Wilfork, the guy was great this year so he definetely can make a case for being #2 on the team importance list. But Moss wasnt just great, he was historic in much the same way Brady was only he is a WR and Brady is a QB. And yes, Wilfork is the key to the defense while Moss isnt the key to the offense (Brady is) BUT, the offense was arguably the greatest unit in nfl historu(largely due to Moss) while the defense was arguably not a top 5 unit THIS year.
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    Yeah, I'd agree that the 3 most important Patriots right now are, in order:

    1. Brady
    2. Moss
    3. Wilfork
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    We all heard Brady bf the SB saying that he and Moss are a package deal. Where Moss goes, Brady goes....this says that TB would never be the same if we let Moss walk and neither would anyone in New England. I dont think the Pats organization is stupid, therefore, I cant imagine why theyd ever let Moss go. Moss will be a Patriot. Even after the SB, in his press conference he said...WE'LL be back next season. I think you guys who think Moss is gonna walk and the Pats are gonna let him...may be thinking too into it. Lol..I think Moss already knows hes gonna be a Patriot as well.
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    They could well have a gentlemens' agreement by now, tag then get the deal done. Though in most cases the tag is perceived as a universal Bad Thing, you have a guy who wants to be here, a team that wants him here, and the element of the market.

    If in reality, Moss really does want gigantic money this year, the tag is appropriate. I think more likely, he wants decent money and security, to the tune of (say,) a five-year deal. While they iron out how much of his money is up-front -- basically weighing the risks of the aging process -- it might be just fine by both parties to have him off the market.

    The Moss negotiation is unlike most, because it is for keeps. The goal will be to grab him and keep him here the rest of his career. This FA period is more like an engagement, not house rules for shacking up: i.e., an unusual situation for this league.

    Now, if you see him tagged at the start of the season (i.e., instead of just to buy time to get the numbers worked out,) that would be something to worry about. I am hoping that both sides understand 23 TDs isn't happening again (nor, really, should it.) But top-of-the-league productivity? Yeah, definitely that can happen. Especially if you add in a bunch of incentives, along with a nice chunk up front.

    Eh, we'll see.

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    Randy wouldn't be "off the market" anyway unless they use the exclusive tag. Players who are tagged otherwise can talk to anyone, just can't be signed without compensation to their current team being agreed to.

    When the Colts and Manning couldn't get a deal done in 2004, he was tagged with the exclusive tag so no one could even glance at him. They did get his deal done about a week into FA.

    I agree that Moss is not a player you tag unless you are pretty sure you know what range he wants and it's something you're comfortable with. Tag to play or tag and trade could get ugly with that player. Use of the tag here could be something both sides are amenable to only because due to the silly provision in the CBA that deals with revisiting contracts more than one a year, his apparently could not be extended and therefore has to be signed after FA and a new league year commences. But Randy may also want to be free to test his market to establish his value before deciding to grant a discount.

    Jason Cole was on with Felger today and he said while he hadn't talked to any agents at the combine yet, he believes Randy will garner top offers if he gets to FA simply because GM's will believe he can score 20 TD's for them, although the length of the deals will likely not exceed 3-4 years and the bonus or guaranteed money IHO would be in the $10-12M range.
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    get moss a long term deal, and use the tag on someone else, someone on D
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    The Colts tagged Dallas Clark yesterday or the day before, then I just saw a ticker on ESPN that said they agreed to a 6 yr deal.
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