DE/OLB Need in Free Agency

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  1. mgteich

    mgteich Veteran Supporter

    OUT: Carter, Anderson, Ellis
    IN: Scott, Fanene
    NEED: Another pass-rusher
  2. JackBauer

    JackBauer Pro Bowl Player

    Shouldn't this thread be called "Need in the Draft"?
  3. mgteich

    mgteich Veteran Supporter

    That is your perspective. I disagree. I think it most unlikely that Belichick goes into the draft expecting to get Carter-like production in 2012 from someone he drafts.

  4. JackBauer

    JackBauer Pro Bowl Player

    Oh? And who, pray tell, are the suitable DE/OLB candidates currently available in FA?

    BTW: You have Carter penciled as an out. Why?
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  5. patfanken

    patfanken Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!. It's very rare that a rookie comes in an makes an impact contribution to a defense.

    I just wrote about this in the Fells thread. A this point we need to replace fully HALF our sack total and more than 2/3rds of our outside rushing threats. That is NOT good. So far on defense we've added 3 role players. All look like solid contributors, but by not addressing our outside pass rush and not resigning Anderson and Carter, we've take 2 steps back.

    At this moment, our only 3 outside pass rush prospects are:

    Rob Ninkovich: A competent rusher, but who also has to drop back on a lot of plays
    Trevor Scott - who hasn't played for the better part of 2 years
    Jermaine Cunningham - Now I might be he last supporter on this board, but I don't want to count on him right now to replace Carter/Anderson.

    That's it guys. THAT is pretty bleak. No that is VERY bleak. Now, I don't want to panic, because we could eventually resign both guys, though I don't know where the money is going to come from, and Anderson looks like he's more than half way out the door. But it IS fair, with no money left in FA (I think), to at least start asking the question of where our outside pass rush is going to come from?????
  6. patfanken

    patfanken Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Mark Anderson and Andre Carter
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  7. JackBauer

    JackBauer Pro Bowl Player

    No, it isn't. Particularly if you're willing to expend the resources to acquire elite talent.
  8. mgteich

    mgteich Veteran Supporter

    Yup. They are listed as the best DE's available in free agency (along with Ellis).

    I'm fine with us signing Anderson and/or Carter. However, there will be competition. There is almost no one else out there.

  9. Marqui

    Marqui In the Starting Line-Up

    Some of the better pass rushers in the NFL last year were rookies (Miller,Smith,Kerrigan). Sure if you draft some stiff in 2nd/3rd round you won't get much, but if you trade up for elite talent you can get great production year 1.
  10. mgteich

    mgteich Veteran Supporter

    Sure! If we were willing to use both of our 1sts and our 3rd, we might be able to land an elite pass-rusher who will provide significant help in 2012. Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen.

  11. patsfaninpa

    patsfaninpa In the Starting Line-Up

    There isn't an elite pass-rusher in this draft. But, if Courtney Upshaw falls to late teens. I'd move 31 and 63 to get him. Sets a great edge against the run. Will develop as a pass-rusher. In the mean time. If we re-up Mark Anderson, I feel they will make a good pairing. Pats may prefer Whitney Mercilus. Might do the same type of deal for him.
  12. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member Supporter

    There are plenty of free agents available, though the number that could realistically help the Patriots is rather limited.

    Kamerion Wimbley, Raiders
    Andre Carter, Patriots
    Mark Anderson, Patriots
    Matt Roth, Jaguars
    Dave Tollefson, Giants
    James Hall, Rams
    William Hayes, Titans
    Wallace Gilberry, Chiefs
    Antwan Applewhite, Panthers
    Jarvis Moss, Raiders
    Quentin Groves, Raiders
    Dave Ball, Titans
    Raheem Brock, Seahawks
    Aaron Smith, Steelers
    Jamaal Anderson, Colts
    Shaun Ellis, Patriots
    CJ Ah You, Rams
    Tim Bulman, Texans
    Igor Olshansky, Dolphins
    Victor Abiamiri, Eagles
    Derrick Harvey, Broncos
    Eric Moore, Patriots
    Jayme Mitchell, Browns
    Everette Brown, Chargers
    Jimmey Wilkerson, Seahawks
    Tyler Brayton, Colts

    Manny Lawson, Bengals
    Jo-Lonn Dunbar, Saints
    Leroy Hill, Seahawks
    Erin Henderson, Vikings
    Phillip Wheeler, Colts
    Rocky McIntosh, Redskins
    Erik Walden, Packers
    Wesley Woodyard, Broncos
    Channing Crowder, Dolphins
    Brady Poppinga, St. Louis Rams
    Mario Haggans, Broncos
    Brandon Johnson, Bengals
    Bobby Carpenter, Lions
    Thomas Williams, Panthers
    Ben Leber, Rams
    Gary Guyton, Patriots
    Joey Porter, Cardinals
    Mike Peterson, Falcons
    Xavier Adibi, Eagles
    David Vobora, Rams
    Bryan Kehl, Rams
  13. JackBauer

    JackBauer Pro Bowl Player

    1.) The cost of acquiring a pass rusher is unknown
    2.) The question isn't whether it's likely to happen, but whether it could happen, in response to ken's rather bizarre assertion that rookies rarely make an impact contribution on defense.
  14. PatriotReign

    PatriotReign Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    At DE I wouldn't mind the Pats looking at Wallace Gilberry, Matt Roth, or Raheem Brock. Maybe even Dave Ball.

    At OLB look at Leroy Hill, Geno Hayes, Manny Lawson, Chris Chamberlain, and Erin Henderson.

    Kamerion Wimbley will cost way to much and I don't think the Pats are interested. I'd actually rather see them bring Anderson back.
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2012
  15. IllegalContact

    IllegalContact Pro Bowl Player

    the only reason it is extremely rare that rookies can come in and replace sack totals like that is because it has never been tried
  16. betterthanthealternative

    betterthanthealternative In the Starting Line-Up

    One significant problem is that the "hit" rate on drafting is less than 50%, and that seems to be true in the top half of the 1st round, bottom of the 1st round, and in the second round. So it's a crap shoot.
  17. pats_premi

    pats_premi On the Game Day Roster

    I think the Patriots will acquire DE/OLB via trade (e.g. 2nd or 3rd for OSI). The price for established pass rushers in the free agency appears to be high for their liking.
  18. IllegalContact

    IllegalContact Pro Bowl Player

    faulty logic......
  19. Haley

    Haley In the Starting Line-Up

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    I hope we get Anderson back. He seemed to be just starting to take off at the tail end of the year. But I wouldn't be surprised to see Carter back at some point during the year. The man lives to work out. I can't see him shying away from physical therapy. If anyone can bounce back from that injury, he can.
  20. JackBauer

    JackBauer Pro Bowl Player

    True, but so is FA, unless you're talking about re-signing our own FAs.
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