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  1. JSn

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    If we make this ONE pick today, I'll be pretty happy about the draft.

    Anyone else got him on their board?
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    Agree. This guy or Brandon Harris my top two defenders for this pick.
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  4. JSn

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    Nice. If they trade away #33 (and you just know it in your gut, right?) I'll be pacing until Sheard comes off the board.
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    The good news is that virtually every OLB that fits into the 3-4 that the Pats could have drafted yesterday is available today. I wouldn't mind Sheard, but would be happy if they ended up with Reed, Carter, or Houston.
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    Houston is the only other one I've done any homework on (I'm so ashamed...), but I could live w/ that pick too.

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    I'll be thrilled with the Sheard pick, but won't be surprised or disappointed if we trade down instead and Sheard could be picked before we make a selection. There are still a number of players that could be grouped with Sheard in terms of value, and I'm happy to just have one of them.
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    Yes yes and yes

    We play so much out the sub these days that I don't always buy into this prototypical size olb but I thiink this guy has that covered anyway and could set the edge if he as to.

    Big enough pushes up front and we can get him into the back field, hopefully with Cunningham alongside him.
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    I'd like 2 of Sheard, Carter, Houston, maybe Romeus at the end of the 3rd.

    A RB like Leshore too?

    Use the first third on a guard/center type.
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    Houston failed the combine drug test. Any player that can't stay clean, when they KNOW they will be drug tested, is somebody I'd be very.......no heck, I wouldn't take him.
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    I could be thrilled with Brooks Reed, or Sheard, or even Bowers (!) as a guy who certainly has some motivation to prove he's a top guy (if our docs are OK with it).

    If we got Bowers I'd go Houston late 2, and a RB or guard.
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    With the Patriots accumulating so many picks for today, they're one of the few teams that can take Bowers and say, it was a flyer.
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    Excellent post! True!
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    Agreed. As much as I love bud, I think I'd find a way to quit before the NFL combine.

    I like Sheard or Bowers at #33. Bowers should get over the knee eventually, and he could help us out big time in sub packages.

    We definitely need to pick up someone who can get to the passer in the second round, or at least a big body DE to absorb the run. Anyone left in the latter category? Heyward was my favorite, but he's gone now.

    I also think Greg Romeus as a 3rd round pick would be a great choice. He was a beast before injury.
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    IMO he is a slot DB only as rated. I miss the value?
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    Although Houston is hooked on herbius weedius to do it before the Draft, we did take another idiot like that in Tate.
    I like your thinking
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    What about aaron hernandez
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    Bowers is kind of unrateable at this point. The fact that he's available must mean his knee is awful...but if there's a chance he can play, he's easily the best option.

    Otherwise, I'll double up on the Pitt Panthers Sheard and Romeus.
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    I guess it's official: I'm the lone person on the board that thinks that Sheard has roughly the same chance of succeeding as a Patriots OLB as I do of getting struck by lightning while holding a winning lottery ticket.

    The man is unable to move along any axis that is not N-S. A pure straight-ahead guy, but without the explosiveness to use him as even a 3rd down pin-you-ears-back-and-go pass rusher. Just a wasted pick. If he's our choice in the second, I'll try my best to contain my vomit within the confines of my mouth.

    Of course, I don't presume to be smarter than the Man making the decision, so I'll get over it and hopefully be pleasantly surprised.
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    Agree. If he is bone-on-bone in the knee area, then it is just a matter of when (not if) he breaks down. That means the opportunity cost of taking him it too high until you hit the talent cliff in this draft (maybe #75?). If he doesn't have a degenerative condition, there is no way he makes it out of the 1st round for the likes of Wilkerson, Heyward and Sherrod.

    After passing on DEs with pass rush skills, it seems clear Belichick is planning on bringing pressure using OLBs with their hands on the ground. TBC is a likely cap casualty so there are effectively 2 open OLB spots. Sheard and Romeus are good fits, where Houston and Reed seem less so. Your prediction makes a lot of sense.
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    Hey, at least that's two directions! Justin Houston can only go South. ;)
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    Agreed! Let him be someone else's headache.
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    Good point. I was ready to cut Houston a break because of Hernandez' history and how that didn't take him off BB's board (and personally I don't give a s**t about MJ unless it affects your availability for games). But then again Hernandez was clean at the combine.

    -1 to Houston for general dumbs**ted-ness
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    You are mistaken.
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    Me too !!!! :rocker:
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    If you are right, he won't be the pick. I see him differently. He is instinctive and moves laterally down the line extremely well. Reads play action and bootlegs quickly and doesn't waste steps locking onto the ball.

    He hasn't shown the ability to drop (which I guess would be "South") but I expect that is the one area of OLB that the Pats are willing to coach up. You don't need an accountant to track the times Ware drops into coverage.

    The Pats have passed on that type of player consistently for years. Not sure why they would take one now. You are describing a "linear" pass rusher but I disagree with that assessment for Sheard. He is more angular...get off the ball quick, engage the blocker(s) and drive to influence the pocket. It is that sort of "lean" that Cunningham does well so Sheard could be a good complement opposite him. If he were an inch taller with longer arms, that "lean" might have pushed him into the first round.

    If my eyes are right, the Pats should be looking for Sheard at #33. If your eyes are accurate, I don't think you will have to worry about buying a Sheard jersey this year.
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    Fair assessment. I think he could do okay as a 4-3 end, playing off the tackle and controlling him off the snap and not giving ground in the run game. He might (might) even do OK as a Steeler, Cowboy, or Charger linebacker. I've watched Pittsburgh quite a bit over the last two years, and I've seen nothing that leads me to believe he can succeed here...which is odd, because I respect and usually agree with your evaluations.
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    Not surprising since translating college DEs to Pats OLBs is just above particle physics on the complexity scale. For a pick this high, I would imagine Belichick will be pretty discriminating in what he is looking for in an OLB. I haven't seen a lot of Sheard so my sample size is relatively small. If you are seeing something radically different from me, maybe I just caught him on days when he was Red Bull'ed up or facing a particularly good matchup for him.
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    You mean like Aaron Hernandez? Or Warren Sapp?


    There's a risk with these guys, but they're usually some of the best values in the draft.
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