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David Horowitz booed at Emory for giving speech about Islamo-facism

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  1. STFarmy

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    Colleges are disgusting. If the president of Iran, an avowed anti-semite who wants Israel wiped off the mapwants to come speak at a university, they applaud (and I agree he should've been). But when David Horowitz wants to speak about the dangers of Islamo-facism, he's denounced a racist and booed off-stage. It wouldn't be enraging if they didn't pretend to be so open-minded and accepting.

    http://www.incorrectu.com/2007/10/25/more-emory-more-thuggery-more-leftist-assault-on-free-speech/

    Edit: Admittedly, incorrectu is a right leaning website, but since it is a video I figured that I would share it. Any opposing/critical views of how the sitution is presented on the website are welcomed, in the interest of an informed, intelligent discussion (hopefully devoid of any personal attacks).
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    Stop and shut the hell up right there. That is an exaggerated lie, and I find it funny people try to demonize this guy like that when Iran has the largest Jewish population in the Middle East outside of Israel. Why don't you go past media propaganda and read what he actually said in Farsi.
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    Take it down a notch. I've heard you say this before. And you know what? I'll give you the anti-semite thing. Perhaps that was inappropriate. But I have read it, and I know what he said.
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    What else would you expect? That douchebag gets an ovation, and a volunteer force of concerned US citizens, the Minutemen, a group trying to save this country from implosion, get run off the stage at that same Columbia U., before they're able to speak. To a chorus of cheers mind you.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=PuNXmy0e5fc


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=q0VfLoCP2vw
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    Hmmmmm, Dishonest to the core.............. The president of Iran is NOT an anti-semite??? WTF (watch the video).

    The Jews of Iran, what a STORIED HISTORY.......... They love them so much, so long as they abide by the law of Dhimmi, and submit to the STATUS AFFORDED TO THEM

    In fact, Iran treats their Jews in a pretty specific MANNER. Hmmmm, making Jews wear yellow ribbons on their clothing, now where have I hear that before. :rolleyes:




    Oh yeah, starting a response with "Stop and shut the hell up right there." in not a very nice way to start a thread.
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    Yeah I know. I'm just disgusted everytime. These universities are so intellectually bankrupt it's ridiculous. Not to be a red baiter, but when the communist/leftist forces of the mid- to late 20th century made it their point to infiltrate higher education, it seems like they did ok.
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    It's democracy in action. It's a wonderful thing. Whether it's the right-wing protests in Florida that helped Bush win, the student protests against Horowitz, the thousands of demonstrators who protested Ahmadinejad at Columbia University, or anything else, it's a terrific thing, something we need more of. We complain about the politicians all the time, yet when individuals are willing to stand up for what they believe, we complain as well. That's just not right.
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    Left Wing Liberal Democrats:
    When one of their own stands before them and spews their hateful Anti America, Anti Christian, Anti White, Anti Decency f-cking bullsh!t they all have orgasms while they standing and cheering but they will go completely insane trying to Censor, Ban and SILENCE anybody that has an opposing view to their Far Out Hate Filled Crap

    In the world of the liberal:
    Freedom Of Speech all depends on who is giving the speech.

    Look what the Hate Filled Bastards just tried to do to Limbaugh and it blew up in their rotten faces and they are STILL TRYING to BAN and DESTROY Talk Radio.

    I grew up in the depression and a College Education to us was Something only Millionaires were allowed to have, I now have Four College Graduates in my family and they are doing things and they own things that when I was younger I thought only the Rockerfellers & The Movie Stars were allowed.

    America's Colleges are now where America's Enemy lives, the Far Left Socialist Progressives have slithered into our American School System like swarms of stinking f-cking c-ck-roaches and rats and their Brainwashing of you children is now starting to have an effect on our country and if they succeed in their goal and if they are allowed to keep using Our Constitution to deastroy our Constitution you will see in your lifetime a man like Hugo Chavez sitting in the White House.

    A College Education is one of the greatest gifts you could ever give to one of your family, don't let these f-cking scumbag far left wing socialist communist bastards destroy your childrens minds.

    The Far Left Wing has taken over the Democratic Party and turned them into a bunch of Nasty Hateful Nazi Censoring Swine, the old time patriotic working mans Democrat is dead.

    MOST PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS AND COLLEGE PROFESSORS SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT IN THE SCHOOLYARD AND SHOT DEAD.
    :bricks:
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    I have absolutely zero problems with people standing up for what they believe in. But these universities pride themselves on being free and open minded, and they're just not. I think it would be fine if they protested him being there or offered an opposing view. But that's not what they did. Like with the Minutemen speaker, he was virtually chased off stage. That's NOT open-minded or democratic. To shut up speech you don't agree with is fascist.
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    I don't agree. The conservatives should have fought harder if they wanted the Horowitz to speak. Fascism would deny him the right to speak anywhere. This was simply a case of the opposing view having a louder voice. Horowitz has not been silenced at all, and has has found plenty of venues where he can present his point of view, and I guarantee many of those venues did not present an opposing point of view. Universities are free and open-minded, but that means students are free to invite speakers and protest speakers. To me, that's democracy at work. I would also add that I would have supported removing the protesters so he could finish his speech. I don't know why that didn't happen.
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    Well the students were acting in a fascistic manner; they didn't want him to speak because they felt he was "racist, sexist, and anti-gay" (which is how they attack conservatives). So they shut him down. Just as rights tend to use morality to shut people up, the left loves to use the broadly defined "hate speech" to shut people up. You're right, Horowitz hasn't been silenced overall though. And the conservative/pro-Horowitz people should have had a louder voice there to fight for his right to speak.
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    I had a talk about this with my gf last night. She's a sped teacher here in MA. It's all about indoctrination these days. Amenijhad gets cheered, the Minutemen get run off the stage. What wonders we're teaching our kids eh?
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    Yeah, we're complaining alright. Maybe if you were paying attention, you'd see that we're complaining about running people off of an invited stage, before they can speak, while cheering a terrorist. We're not decrying the right to express, we're criticizing the fact that such expression was prevented.
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    It's freedom of speech only when certain people are giving the speech. Patters claims it's democracy in action and beautiful, because a terrorist is picketed outside, but cheered inside, while the Minutemen are run off the stage inside, unable to utter a word, after having been invited. I supported the terrorists speaking, but the double standard that exists on universities, and schools of all kinds, is clearly evident. Quite honestly, it's kinda sad.
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    You're a total fraud buddy. You know darn well why they didn't remove anyone, or why the Minutemen were permitted to be violently run from the stage. Total fraud buddy. Call a spade a spade for once in your life will ya.

    This isn't a fascist country. This is the United States. You don't invite someone to speak, and then rush/boo them off the stage. These aren't cases of the opposing viewpoint having a louder voice. This is a case of people being ignorant, and universities enabling certain views with which they disapprove, to be treated differently than those witch which they tolerate. When that asswipe said there are no gays in Iran, why didn't people boo, charge the stage, or speak out about how they hang them in public? Oh, of course not. That would be rude now wouldn't it. Afterall, we invited the terrorist to speak, and we'd be impolite to interupt him over something like that. I can guarantee you that they made sure that no one treated the terrorist with a shred of disdain. The evidence is clear that the other speakers didn't get the same treatment.

    That's all part of that debate and discussion, (in)tolerance stuff I always hear about.
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    You're so partisan, it's unbelievable, and at the same time you participate in welfare fraud by not reporting the abuses that you claim to know about. You lack credibility, my friend.

    I'm making a point about democracy, not bout partisanship, and how it needs to be activist. I think activism is good, because it takes power out of the hands of authority and shifts to the people. I don't want people to break the law (except perhaps by civil disobedience), but I want them to stand up and express themselves. If people like Horowitz or Cindy Sheehan or Bill Clinton or whoever are shut up or chased off stage, that's a pretty strong statement.

    Just because the righties are wimps and expect the government to do their bidding doesn't mean the righties are right. If you don't like something, work within the law, to stop it. That's what democracy is all about.
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    You're so partisan, it's unbelievable, and at the same time you participate in welfare fraud by not reporting the abuses that you claim to know about. You lack credibility, my friend.

    I participate in welfare fraud. :rofl:

    You don't read well do you? I voiced my concerns to my account manager and was told that "well, Mass Housing is very pro-tenant". You should read my friend. See, my job isn't to investigate my tenants. My job is to manage according to the HUD guidelines, process their income information, and report anything shady to my account manager. It's the state that is responsible for investigating fraud. It's like knowing your neightbor is a thief, and telling the cops. You can't do anything about it, only the cops can. Oh, but I forgot, you know 3 people on welfare, so you know how the system works, what my duties are, and who's responsible for enforcing the law. My bad. :rolleyes:


    I'm making a point about democracy, not bout partisanship, and how it needs to be activist. I think activism is good, because it takes power out of the hands of authority and shifts to the people. I don't want people to break the law (except perhaps by civil disobedience), but I want them to stand up and express themselves. If people like Horowitz or Cindy Sheehan or Bill Clinton or whoever are shut up or chased off stage, that's a pretty strong statement.

    Yeah, if they're invited to speak, and you don't agree with their message, god bless those who violently expressed their "freedom of speech" in rushing the stage, while violating the invited guest's same rights. Again, that's part of that debate and discussion, (in)tolerance thing I keep hearing you talk about. Remember, I thought the U had every right to have Amenijhad speak, and didn't want him charged off the stage. I thought the protests outside were excellent. That's proper, righteous, and justified. That's an excellent example of what democracy is. To you, inviting a guest over to state his case, only to spit in his face, and kick his azz out the second after he enters your home, is a wonderfully strong statement. That's democracy baby. Please. :rolleyes:


    Just because the righties are wimps and expect the government to do their bidding doesn't mean the righties are right. If you don't like something, work within the law, to stop it. That's what democracy is all about.

    This is why you're a fraud. You're partisan to a point with which you don't believe in right or wrong for everyone. You only believe in what's right for you, and what's wrong to you. There's a considerable difference between the two. Right is letting an invited guest speak. Wrong is inviting him in, giving him the stage, and then permitting a violent opposition to forcefully thrust him off the podium. You can't even see that. I'm sure that if some university rushed some gay rights activist off the stage after inviting him, you'd be here telling us all how strong an expression of democracy it was. :rolleyes:

    BTW, why is this a right versus left issue? Ah, that's right, cuz that's how you see life.
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    To be fair, I set that up by accusing the colleges of being rabidly pro-left and coddling all viewpoints except those of conservatives. I did, however, admit that both sides tend to shut up the other viewpoint when possible (the right through morality, and the left through hate speech).
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    The University owes this guy some level of protection from physical harm. I couldn't say where the line between their duty in regards to that ends and the Cops' duty begins; but they owe him something regarding safety from harm. That's all they owe him though. Why should they be partial to him as opposed to their customers? Which btw is what college students are, consumers of education.

    Comparing one University's response to one speaker vs another University's response to a completely different speaker is silly btw. Its like saying:

    'NFL fans sure are dumb. Peyton Manning gave a speech in Indianapolis and got cheered and then gave the exact same speech in Boston and got laughed at, jeered and booed. Why can't NFL fans make up their minds?'

    Universities are different, each has its own goals and values. This is why prospective college students pick a University to go to rather than just attending the one closest to their house.

    A couple of other points I'd like to bring up:

    1)This guy almost certainly got more people thinking about his twisted views by being silenced than if he'd been politely listened to. Americans are always more interested in controversy than civility. Regardless of how, the Uni gave him what he sought.

    2) Every time a Republican complains about not getting equal time on campuses I say to myself:

    "Self this Republican actually seems to be complaining about young people thinking like young people. Doesn't he know that political opinion often changes as a person ages? In fact if it didn't change and one's political views remained constant from age 18 to age 75 then the Democrats would be the RIGHT wing party of the USA and that we'd be deciding between Hillary for President or Noam Chomsky, or maybe Bono."
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    College kids pick a University because of it's campus, it's chics, and how good the parties are. They don't pick a U because of it's political leanings.

    Even if silencing someone is better for their views than permitting them to speak (which I don't believe is the case in situations like these), the principle point is pissing on an invited guest. The school, if they are going to invite someone to speak, has an obligation to protect that persons time on the podium. People have every right to protest, but they should protest in a manner, or place, that does not infringe upon the speakers right to speak. I thought the Amenijhad visit is how it should be. Protest outside all you want, but don't rush the stage and act like an imbicile. If the speaker says something you don't like, boo. If they say something you support, applaud. It's suppose to be about discourse, and about permitting people to present the alternative view.

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