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  1. HEY BRO! WHAT UP?

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    Damn thats a lot guaranteed for Dansby, not my money though sign the beast!
     
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    He may be in for a rude awakening about getting that anywhere. Mara won't bite because of the CBA situation. SD hasn't got that kind of money laying around, they play in an antiquated stadium in front of a fanbase that faces blackouts almost every week because the beach is a better lure. Miami's new owner has a huge debt service because he just bought his team. Not sure ILB is a sexy enough signing to grab Snyder's attention...
     
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    That Rolando McClain fella is looking pretty good right about now haha
     
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    I just can't see the Pats paying Dansby 30M guaranteed. I'd like to have him, but that's an awful lot of cash layout. What if he gets hurt or turns out to be the next Adalius Thomas?
     
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    And it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't sign any of them either.

    First off there's the Brady situation. Brady has never reached the last year of his contract while here, and has to be a major priority right now--especially after proving he can come back from such a serious injury. It may even be possible that he could represent a form of "damage control" with the media and fans with an extension if Wilfork isn't signed (which is a serious possibility if his demands are true). There may be somewhat of a poor reaction to the Krafts/Pats business practices (aka 'signing their own'), and more and more ex-players are putting them in a negative light every day--ex: Seymour, Samuel, McGinest, etc. By extending Brady they may feel they are proving their loyalty to the fans/media, and killing 2 birds with 1 stone, since they were going to extend him anyway, and look even better by doing so this offseason.

    As far as your 3 players go, let's start with Wilfork. He is a 2 down player who is demanding top dollar. I don't see him passing up a chance at free agency unless the Pats agree to meet his high demands in some fashion, so I don't think it's any better than 50/50 that he stays. As of now it seems as though he wants at least 30+ million guaranteed, since it's widely reported that he turned down 23 guaranteed.

    Dansby is in the same position, wanting 30+ guaranteed, and actually may even benefit by being one of the few top FA's in a poor FA year, due to the uncapped 2010. Most likely there will be a team or two like Washington, who is willing to overspend and take risks in the murky CBA situation. It could be that as a whole spending will go down (a given), but that a few select top-tier FA's will wait and see if someone makes them lucky by overspending.

    Peppers isn't even a guarantee that he'd fit here, and we have many of our own FA's to worry about first, + the Brady situation. I don't see the relatively conservative front office making too big of a wave by going out and giving someone top dollar before dealing properly with our own FA's first. Even putting the Wilfork situation aside for the moment, we still have important players such as Faulk, Bodden, TBC, etc who would make an otherwise OK position situation (3rd down back, CB, DE/LB) shaky with their departure. Not to mention the fact that Peppers has made almost 30+ million guaranteed in the last 2 years via franchise tag, and will certainly be looking for big money. It's possible that Peppers can get a contract this year that pays him 25-30 million guaranteed, making him a player who has received 55-60 million guaranteed in 3 years (!!!) Can you think of any other player who's made that kind of guaranteed money in 3 years?

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    I agree that the Pats 'could' take advantage of an un-capped year with some major signings, but then again, who couldn't? I'm not entitrely certain that you are fully appreciating the fact that spending as a whole, will be down. With the uncertain CBA situation, a team who has made their bread and butter by playing within the confines of a capped system is not going to take too many risks when there may be a decreased cap next year. There is also the high possibility of a work stoppage, which leads directly to majorly decreased revenue. Any smart businessman would certainly be preparing for such a move, since they are trying to get their future piece of the pie taken care of by doing so.

    J.Kraft has pretty much said he's not going to take too many risks, so unless that's a ploy I don't see more than 1 major FA signing, and that's not including Wilfork, who I group in the 'one of our own' category.

    IMO, I think they'll spend up to where the cap was this year, approx. 125 million (127 actual). This would still give them approx. 30-35 million to take care of (depending on the Adalius Thomas situation). Considering we have major contracts in Wilfork, Brady, and possibly Bodden/Faulk/TBC, I see them making some smaller-type moves, although important like last year. I still see them making a play at a major FA player such as Peppers, Dansby, etc--but certainly not more than one, at least IMO.
     
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    Afailius - $20M guaranteed, $34.9M total.

    Dansby 109 TT, 1 sack...Mayo 103 TT, 1.5 sacks in three fewer games playing on a bad wheel. :confused2:
     
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    Dansby seems like AD 2.0 to me skill level wise if that makes any sense.
     
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    Absolutely agree with this statement. That's why you're one of the best. There's too many question marks right now with the CBA, possible work stoppage, return to a lesser cap etc to take any uncertain risks and change the approach that has made you a top contender.

    I don't think they'll sit on their hands either, but I don't see too much interest in top tier FA's. I think they'll continue to try and make the team better (as always), while still continuing to follow the successful formula they've developed. There should be many lesser-type names, lower tier players who can come in and contribute without taking too much risk. Cuts will be plenty as teams try and lower their spending, I believe this will be their main approach.

    Whether the specific player worked out or not, we were still active last year in FA, and can be again. That said, I can see interest in a major player still, absolutely, but I don't agree with those who feel we'll go on a spending spree with the likes of 3 players who'll demand 30+ guaranteed.:rolleyes:
     
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    Good post...Some thoughts.


    I really don't think BB cares about damage control. However, I do think that Kraft and BB care deeply about putting a high-quality team on the field every year.

    Wilfork is not a 2 down player. Look at this snaps. He does have the ability to shoot gaps but I simply not asked to in this defense. How do you know that he is asking for top dollar? He wants a long term deal. Top $$ is Haynesworth. No one knows what he wants.

    I agree.


    Spending will most certainly be down. Especially with a blow to revenue streams if a lockout occurs. Corporate sponsorships, season tix holders, etc will make decisions that impact revenues.

    I agree that the Pats approach will be similar to the Steelers in that they will operate close to a "cap" figure.
     
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    i don't even think that brady will get 30 million guaranteed. from the pats if he is looking for that much the pats are out of it. i guess thats way he left the pats off he's wish list lol
     
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    RW--
    I agree with your thought on BB himself not caring about damage control, I do think however, that after some needless reoccuring negativity regarding the teams approach on loyalty, that it couldn't/wouldn't hurt to extend one of their 'leaders' regardless. I think we can all agree that they will extend Brady, and for all we know it may have been in their plans this offseason anyway. As far as BB himself caring about public perecption--not so much. But for the organization as a whole, I do believe they care somewhat, at least to an extent. It can't be extremely beneficial for FA recruting, or to a lesser degree--public perception, for our ex-players to keep stating that the team 'uses' its players at will, and isn't loyal to the players that are loyal to them.

    Whether or not it happens, or has anything to do with anything, it is an interesting perception/theory regardless. I in no way believe that Brady's extension would have anything to do with Wilfork's signing--not at all, that's not what I am saying. I do believe however, that it couldn't hurt to extend Brady sooner rather than later, if they cannot reach an agreement with Vince. The general perception of the teams 'dis-loyalty' will be sky high if they cannot reach an agreement with Vince. We'll all hear about being cheap, un-loyal to our own, etc, if they tag Wilfork or cannot reach an agreement. It may get even worse should he holdout throughout camp. All of the comparisons (right or wrong) to the past players will be on every blog, NFL Network stories, local mediots, etc. This can be stifled in some regards, by rewarding 'one of their own,' etc.

    As far as Wilfork's demands, I was on your agreement level in the beginning. I kept asking everyone "How do you know what he wants?" etc. It seems as though his recent comments last week on WEEI, and some recent media stories are claiming that he is indeed, looking for high-end money, from the Haynesworth contract down--which from his agent's perspective etc, makes sense. I think if you read between the lines of his comments about the tag etc, and what he deems over 7 million as "OK," you'll see that he is looking for 10 million + per year. To me that's certainly top-tier money, if I had to value his worth (thank god I don't ;) ) I'd say he's worth about 8 1/2- 9 million per.

    Now whether or not he's a 2 down player or not will differ with each person, but I view an every down player as one who rarely leaves the field. It's true he averaged more than 2 downs this year, and was used on some sub-packages etc, but he's not a 3 down player like Seymour etc. To me, that's a fact. If you're not an every down player, you're a 2 down player--for the benefit of Vince (and out of respect to you) we'll call him a 2 1/2 down player. I believe Reiss had him in the early 60%'s, so in the case of argument, you are correct--he's not a 50% player. But at the same time, my point is valid also.

    As far as him wanting a long-term deal, that's most likely correct, and I myself would think the Pats are a bit leery of anything more than about 4 years due to his weight issues, family history etc. Most likely though, he's more interested in more guaranteed money, and a longer term deal produces more guaranteed money. If number of years were simply the issue, wouldn't the front office simply add some BS money/years to the end of the deal, in the sense of Haynesworth? IMO, that isn't the only issue, I believe they aren't aggreeing on value/dollars also--although I certainly could be wrong.
     
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    I don't know anything about him

    If he's good get him

    go go go
     
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    he is pretty much a 28 year old mayo. he wont get a lot of sacks or INT's but he will get a 100 tackels. i would not be mad if they sign him but i would like that money to go to wilfork or peppers not a ILB
     
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    I was all for a Dansby signing a few weeks ago, but after thinking it out I think you have to give McKenzie a shot, and hope Guyton bulks up a bit. mcKenzie certainly has the size to play the "thumper" role, reminiscient of Teddy Johnson. I think that money would be better served going after Bodden, Mank, Wilfork, ?Peppers?, and of course extending Tf'nB. I guess you can call me on the flip-flopping...
     
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    I'd have no problem with the team signing him, but I'd rather have our funds being used to extend guys like Wilfork Brady and Bodden
     
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    I like Dansby, but not for those numbers. I doubt he'll get $30M guaranteed from anyone, hope he comes down into our price range.
     
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    I'll pass.

    I'd rather sign a pass rusher, and;

    Bodden
    Faulk
    Brady
    Wilfork


    and others.
     
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