Latest example. Thankfully I don't think it applies to me but it still sucks. CA has mandated recycling, if a city doesn't comply it gets monster fines. So the city I live in (thankfully I'm just outside the city limit which is why I don't think it applies to me) now has this : Mandatory recycling bins in addition to trash. There is now a $30 a month charge OVER what we pay for trash. $360 a year. Of course the recyclables you put in generally have CRV value which you lose. So . . . you have to pay $360 a year. If you actually use it and put your recyclables in then you also lose all the CRV value. If you redeem the CRV value yourself then your $360 a year recycle bins just sit empty. That's the latest example of why I hate the "I know better than you" Liberals. F*ck you Nancy. F*ck you Barbara. F*ck you Diane. Although I wouldn't like this, a far better solution would be to have the CRV much higher so you'd have no choice but to recycle but it would be a no cost once you did.