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  1. PatsDeb

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    Who else will be beyond P'O'd if they don't get a deal done by Friday? It's bad enough that our only story this off season has been Logan Mankins and his crying agent. Come on teams and players! You will be hurting the people who keep you in the money if you don't get things done!

    Remember how baseball and hockey took years to come back from their most recent lockouts? Don't let it happen to you (not that I expect people not to go back to the NFL more quickly, but who knows).
     
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    #24 Jersey

    I wont be pissed until games are actually missed but once friday comes and goes that IMO will be in serious jeopardy as I am not sure what will bring them back to the table until games are lost.
     
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    I'm expecting the season will be lost. There will be a lot of unhappy ex-football
    players joining the car wash gang in 2012 when the new NFL season commences.

    I made DVD's of the entire season last year and I'm going to have Sunday football
    regardless. Maybe I will change the game days around just to liven things up.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    sounds like a terrible idea, why would you put yourself through that knowing the let down at the end?:confused:
     
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    I said the season, not the post-season. For that I'll substitute 2001. :D
     
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    While you're at it, I'd skip the first Jets game and the Cleveland game too!!
     
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    #12 Jersey

    I'm actually expecting them to not get a deal done by then. Might be a dumb question, but why didn't they start trying to get a new/extension CBA after last season? Or did they and I missed it?
    On another note, I might have to try and get a DVD of this season from you. I have the Bears game and my Americas Game DVDs.
     
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    No Jersey Selected

    I heard from a source that the 2011 season will absolutely NOT happen.

    Of course, that source is a Chinese guy down the street that can't speak English and doesn't know what the NFL is, but nevertheless...
     
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    As good as any other NFL prognosticator at ESPN/SI/Internet Forums/Etc.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    I am not expecting a deal done until the summer.
     
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    I with Tom Curran who says there will be a deal by April 1st. There are far too many free agents who's leverage to maximize their potential new deal gets signficantly weakened if teams address their needs via the draft before they can sign their deals even if they plan to stay with their current team. The best way to maximize your contract is to get multiple teams showing interest. If two or three of your potential suitors fill their needs in the draft, you can lose a lot of money. There are a lot of Cromartie type of players who really need to maximize their contract because of poor life decisions.

    The players will fracture within a few weeks and there will be a faction who will pressure the NFLPA heads to get a deal done ASAP. They will want time to hook up with a team before the draft.
     
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    Sounds like he might have a career as the next featured analyst on ESPN.
     
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    Well, other than the speaking Chinese part, he does sound like Cris Carter.
     
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    Agreed. This is all about brinksmanship. If I had to bet, I'd bet that they play a full 16 game schedule next year, maybe with no preseason and a limited training camp. Each side knows that the other doesn't want to be blamed for a truncated season by the fans who attend the games and buy the trucks and drink the beer that the advertisers peddle; they just want to see how far the other will go.
     
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    #12 Jersey

    If this deal goes on to the summer, the nfl owners and demaurice smith should be ashamed.. I didnt expect a deal by friday, however im still hopeful that a delay would happen and they can get a deal by april 1st..

    Lets face it- no deal by april , meand the draft is useless- players cant sign , they cant work out, until a deal is signed , no trades, no undrafted fa signed, no nothing.. so who cares about the draft until a deal is signed


    if this thing drags on till the summer the young teams , like ours will be behind the 8 ball...

    there is alot of gloom and doom saying a deal wont get done until games are missed.. i say a deal needs to be done by april 1st or this season will be a waste...
     
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    Actually D-Day is Thursday March 3rd. If the union decertifies there will be a season albeit under ownerships terms pending litigation by individual players who can afford it that could drag on for 4-6 seasons if the last time this happened (1987-93) is any indication.

    If the union doesn't decertify before 11:59PM on the 3rd they can't decertify until September 4th per the CBA. If they don't decertify there will almost certainly be a lockout declared by owners at 12:01AM on the 4th. Unless of course the two sides agree to an interim extension of the old deal, say for 7-14 days more of "negotiating". They would also lose Minnesota Judge Doty who has ruled in their favor countless times because his oversight involvement with the NFL CBA that has been extended continuously from 1993-2010 would end with the end of that CBA. Different judges in different jurisdictions tend to have different views on labor relations matters.

    Decertification is a rocky road for both sides since the union would no longer exist except as a trade association and be unable to file grievances for players or negotiate on their behalf. Owners would get everything they want short term but face the risk of losing some things they want (as the result of courts weighing in on anti trust issues) as a result of eventual court rulings. There is also the risk for the union that they cannot get an injunction to preclude a lockout (that is why the league filed a complaint with the NLRB last week contending the decertification would be a sham based on the union's last use of it which was followed by re-certification once they got some leverage based on court rulings). You cannot use it as a hammer, per se.

    The union would also be facing a potential uphill battle because they don't have an issue like Free Agency to be adjudicated this time, it's rather a case of not wanting to give back $$$ gained during the last CBA which was negotiated in different economic times and with a gun being held to ownerships heads (people forget Upshaw was threatening to strike unless he got to apply essentially the same % to the new definition of revenue amongst owners for their revenue sharing formula). And they don't want to play 18 games although the existing CBA actually allows for owners to make that change even without their consent. And they don't really want the rookie wage scale, but then again it flies in both the NBA and NHL. Earlier court rulings have indicated that courts are reluctant to rule on matters that can, have and should be collectively bargained.

    They really need to find some compromise common ground because historically that is where they will end up eventually, anyway.
     
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    Very welll posted.. i thought that if it ends up in courts the people that would win would be the fans, because it will drag out for years... i just hope they extend the deadline and work it out by april 1st...
     
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    When exactly do the players discover their paychecks are not in the mail??

    Until that happens, it's easy to support your union brothers. They have, on average only a 3-5 year window to make their money, not a lifetime.

    Owners main business is not the NFL - their teams are, for the most part, their play toys.

    I think ownership will remain solid and the players will cave due to reality.

    It's not as if the deals on the table are so terrible.

    Personally, I do not care about either side, I only want to watch football.
     
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    Great explanation. It has been painful hearing most people (including Schefter) get this wrong.

    This is the part I don't understand. What will the players sue to get/avoid? The draft and salary cap are the only things I can think of. Getting a court to rule against the draft will be tough since it is a standard procedure in professional leagues. Losing the salary cap wouldn't be a great victory since they didn't clean up the past year.
     
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    Quite a few players likely have roster and split signing bonus money due on the first day of the league year, or within a week or two of that date which would have been March 4th. The majority of 500 FA didn't get their big payday in 2010 and were likely counting on hitting the lotto sometime in March or April of 2011 - as well as knowing where they were going to be living and working. Not knowing freaks these guys out. It's the scary component to that thing they all claim they yearn for, free agency... Even those who did get deals found they contained rolling guarantees and payouts largely tied to the new league year starting...

    Just noted on NFLLabor.com the stat that 74 players are due $140M in bonus money in March that will not be paid (until a new league year is achieved via CBA or other means) in the event of a lockout.

    So that ups the ante to 570+ players who will feel the pinch long before September. Players will also be responsible for all of their own medical care (via COBRA) for themselves and their families (saw a recent quote of $1500 per month to replace NFL level coverage for a family of 4) as well as for their own rehab and conditioning expenses. Back end of the roster guys and developmental guys and UDFA's or late rounders working off minimum deals could find it difficult to keep up. Ditto a lot of these rookies post draft as in the event of a wage scale only the top tier agents are going to be able or willing to continue to front a lot of expenses for their clients as is routinely the case now... Agents hook these kids up with all manner of coaching and conditioning and image consultants in hopes of improving their draft stock and cashing in at contract time.
     
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