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  1. carolinatony

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    pending the outcome of the Rats/Bengals game tonight

    ROUND 1

    1. St.Louis 1-15
    2. Detroit 2-14
    3. Tampa Bay 3-13
    4. Washington 4-12
    5. Kansas City 4-12
    6. Seattle 5-11
    7. Cleveland 5-11
    8. Oakland 5-11
    9. Buffalo 6-10
    10. Jacksonville 7-9
    11. Denver (f/CHI) 7-9
    12. Miami 7-9
    13. San Francisco 8-8
    14. New York Yets 8-8
    15. Seattle (f/DEN) 8-8
    16. New York Giants 8-8
    17. San Francisco (f/CAR) 8-8
    18. Tennessee 8-8
    19. Pittsburgh 9-7
    20. Atlanta 9-7
    21. Houston 9-7
    22. Baltimore 9-7
    23. Arizona 10-6
    24. NEW ENGLAND 10-6
    25. Green Bay 11-5
    26. Philadelphia 11-5
    27. Dallas 11-5
    28. Cincinnati 11-5
    29. Minnesota 12-4
    30. New Orleans 13-3
    31. San Diego 13-3
    32. Indianapolis 14-2


    ROUND 2

    33. St.Louis
    34. Detroit
    35. Tampa Bay
    36. Washington
    37. Kansas City
    38. Seattle
    39. Cleveland
    40. Oakland
    41. Buffalo
    42. NEW ENGLAND (f/JAX)
    43. Tampa Bay (f/CHI)
    44. Miami
    45. San Francisco
    46. New York Yets
    47. Denver
    48. New York Giants
    49. Carolina
    50. NEW ENGLAND (f/TEN)
    51. Pittsburgh
    52. Kansas City (f/ATL)
    53. Houston
    54. Baltimore
    55. Arizona
    56. NEW ENGLAND
    57. Green Bay
    58. Philadelphia
    59. Dallas
    60. Cincinnati
    61. Minnesota
    62. New Orleans
    63. San Diego
    64. Indianapolis
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    #54 Jersey

    Nicely positioned picks in the second round. Start, middle, end.
  3. carolinatony

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    I agree. We could certainly use 3 SOLID players. Don't think there is much to argue about that.
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    Dan Williams, Tennessee DT 1st Rounder
    Decker, WR from Minnesota (2nd)
    Mike Johnson G Alabama (2nd)
    Thompson, CB Cal Bears (2nd)


    Trade Thomas for a 3rd round pick
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    I would rather another DE/LB instead of CB but i like the other 3 picks.
    NO way we can get a 3rd for Thomas imo.
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    The Patriots need much more than three solid players to

    make them well again.
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    Thanks.. I can dream about thomas for a 3rd right ;)

    thinking with the cb u can move wilhite to nickel rather than his current position. or go with Tate instead of decker.
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    Whoa Tony, I don't know your source, but prior to the Bungles laying down for the Jest, NFL Standings: League has the standings ranked differently...
    In terms of NE's 2nd round trades, this gives NE #42 and #48 once the same record rotation is taken into consideration. With the Bungles laying down they will probably bump NE to #24 (before the Pats claim #32).
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    We do need a bit more than we all thought before this season started.
    Two players who can rush the passer are a must and I believe another DL and maybe 2 if Vince leaves.

    We do need a OL /OG who can run block and maybe two depending on who leaves. Our OL was not very consistent this year.
    After Wes injury today we need a WR and I for one want a solid RB and not 3/4 to shuffle in and out every week. Give me another Dillion. Every week we start a different RB. We have no true #1 RB and that's why we pass so much imo.

    I won't mention special teams and field position.
  10. NePatriots

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    The NFL Draft tiebreakers are different though... Strength of Schedule is the 1st tiebreaker.
    Try here and here for SOS standings.
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    Well crap, if that first link's standings work out NE bumps to #44 and #49. :enranged:
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    That is what I have according to my data -- Jags picking 10th in 1st Round, 12th in 2nd round.
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    This team needs some BINGO infusion to carry them to their fourth Vince, then I won't feel so bad about the final standings. :snob:
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    I'd go for the following (assuming we have #24, 42, 50, 56 and 119):

    - Trade Adalius Thomas for a 3rd round pick - something around 70 would be ideal
    - Trade #42 and a 2011 3rd round pick to move up to around 34

    24. DE/OLB Carlos Dunlap, Florida - 6'6" 270# boom or bust guy with high upside to play the elephant. I understand the red flags and the risk, but I could see BB feeling the talent was too good to pass up.
    34. DT Terrance Cody, Alabama - 6'5" 365# mammoth. Slips a bit because he's viewed as a 2-down player by some teams.
    50. Best available OG - Mike Iupati won't be on the board, but one of Gabe Carimi, Vlad Ducasse or Mike Johnson should be available.
    56. Austen Lane, DE/OLB, Murray St. - 6'6" 260# guy with rare speed and athleticism. Should be a good fit on the weak side at OLB, with Dunlap at the strong side.
    70. Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama. 1st round talent if he comes out, would be a step up over Wilhite and Wheatley. A WR who falls could be an option here as well.
    119. Either Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale or Dexter McCluster, RB, Mississippi. Depends who is available. Veldheer could be a more raw version of Seabass. McCluster would be a steal as an all-purpose weapon in the 4th round. A TE or WR could also be an option here.

    I'd play a base 3-4 with Warren and Wilfork at DE and Mount Cody in the middle, using Wright and Green (if we keep him) as situational pass rushers. I'd keep Derrick Burgess if the price is right, and use him and TBC at OLB while Dunlap and Lane learn the position, if Ninkovich and Crable for depth. And I'd have Mayo, McKenzie and Guyton at ILB. If I really want to get fancy I'd go after Karlos Dansby in FA and put him at SILB next to Mayo.
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    the other guy I really like is Jerry Hughes from TCU. I think he would be outstanding for us. check em out this week vs. Boise State.
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    Sounds like a great plan but can you really see BB taking a guy that is a "boom or bust" in round 1? Usually he seems to go for the sure-fire guys and gamble a little more later on in the draft. I love the thought of a 3-4 with Warren Cody and Wilfork, that's a freakin fierce d-line.

    I like Dunlap but I just can't see BB going with him in the first round.
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    Box:

    As I noted before, the last 12 picks are now determined by playoff exit; the teams that lose this weekend have picks 21-24, etc.

    In any case, I now have, after the JEST game,

    3 7-9 teams, picking CHI-JAX-MIA in round 1, and thus JAX-MIA-CHI in round 2, giving the Patriots #43.

    5 8-8 teams, with CAR and TEN tied with 139 opponent wins each. Thus, those two teams will flip a coin at the combine for the #16 and #17 spots, which means the Patriots will have either #47 or #48 as well.
  18. NePatriots

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    I now show JAX and CHI each with a .500 SOS. Both have 3-3 Div records. Jax has 6-6 Conf Record, Bears have 5-7 record. So Bears are worse, and would get the 10th pick. Right??
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    I don't think those tiebreakers are allowed, because they are in different conferences. I know they certainly didn't come into play in the OAK/KC/ATL tie between OAK and ATL or KC and ATL.

    In any case, I have JAX at 128-128, and CHI at 126-130.
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    cmon guys, positive thinking. were gonna get the last pick in each round.
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    #24 Jersey

    GBN says our picks both get a coin flip :

    Great Blue North Draft Report

    Jax tied (record and sos) with Denver. If Jax wins the toss we'd be 12th, if Denver wins it we'd be 10th.

    Ten tied (record and sos) with SF. If Ten wins the toss we'd be 15th, if SF wins it we's be 16th.

    Kind of funny, when the trade was made we though Tenessee's pick would be low. Then earlier in the season it looked to be real high and it's ended up just about right in the middle.
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    #24 Jersey

    Record, SoS and coin flip is it for draft order.
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    Dumb question?

    What did the patriots get for the last first rd. pick they traded to Green Bay last year?

    Excuse me if this is not the correct place to ask...



    EDIT apologies. According to Wiki

    # ^ #26 New England → Green Bay (D). New England traded the first-round selection it acquired from Baltimore (26th overall, used to select Clay Matthews) and a fifth-round selection (162nd overall) to Green Bay for a second-round selection (41st overall, used to select Darius Butler) and two third-round selections (73rd overall, traded to Jacksonville, who selected Derek Cox; and 83rd overall, used to select Brandon Tate).[source 7]


    My understanding was that there was a 2010 first rd in there somewhere.
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    Actually, it's not:

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    Nope. There are reports that at least one team did offer a package including a 2010 1st for one of the Patriots' top picks, but Belichick didn't want to do that.
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    Confirmed by Adam Schefter...

    CHI/JAX

    TEN/CAR

    ATL/HOU

    will all come down to coin flips. Conf and Div tiebreakers don't apply (not in same division or conference) and SOS is tied on each one.
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    Hmm. Apparently my spreadsheet has an error, but I have no inclination to hunt it down. :)
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    Due to NYJ and BAL winning:

    The Patriots now own the #23 pick in the first round, which can move up to #22 if the Cardinals can beat the Packers.
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    #24 Jersey

    So are you guys sure it's #22 ? I'm not good on these kinds of details. I thought that all that mattered was Making the playoffs (new to mattering this year), Record and then the last two picks for the SB teams.

    Of course, I hope you're right :)
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    Yep, the NFL changed the NFL Draft order rules for playoff teams. Read more at 2010 NFL Draft Order and 4-Letter-Network.

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