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What percentage of Americans spoke English in 1800?

  1. 50%

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    30.4%
  2. 60%

    8 vote(s)
    34.8%
  3. 70%

    4 vote(s)
    17.4%
  4. 80%

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    8.7%
  5. 90%

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    0.0%
  6. 100%

    2 vote(s)
    8.7%
  1. PatsFanInVa

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    Oops, shoulda said "linguistic," not "cultural." More specific.

    Anywho, What percent of people spoke English in the US in 1800?

    Take a guess!
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    Lots of German Immigrants back in those days. Plenty of Chinese either then or shortly thereafter. Not to mention Indians. I'll guess 60%

    btw these are much better if you stipulate that on one's honor its just a guess, not a Google search. Everyone knows people like Foggy would just cheat, so his guess would be discounted anyway.
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    Yep, stipulated. Guys, just guess don't cheat.
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    #24 Jersey

    I don't have a clue but speaking English is more important now. The workforce has to be more educated and it's tougher to get those kinds of jobs if you can't speak the common language. There's a lot less manual labor now.

    For those of you who don't think it's important to speak English, how about you teach your kids to speak only Spanish. Anyone want to take me up on that ?
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    Got it. Scared or something. Moving right along.
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    I want to know who will choose not to have their kids learn English - after all, it's not that important :rolleyes:
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    I voted 50% Still a lot of French, Spanish, German etc. coming in.
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    I don't know why you say I'm scared. My kids will get a good education and, likely, a good job. What some kid who doesn't know English very well isn't particularly important to me at a personal level. I don't interact with them, I do my thing, they do theirs; whatever. However it takes someone whose head is completely buried in the sand to look at today's world and think many people (there will always be a few exceptions) can be successful in this country without knowing English.
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    I would say 50% due to the number of native Americans and slaves...
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    I'll wait on some other answers.

    BFan et al., I note that you believe it was not important at the turn of the 19th century that Americans spoke English, and your belief that we could sustain greater pluralism at that time than today.

    PFnV
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    I guessed 60% also.

    Sorry PFiVA, I can't support where you're going on this one. I am a firm believer that English should always be our national language. In 1800 we were just beginning as a nation. Over time, nations have to define their identity and we have defined our language as english.

    As soon as we made speaking English a requirement for citizenship, we declared English as our national language. I was in a grocery store last week and needed help to find something. The clerk couldn't speak english. So why is he a clerk when he couldn't help me? I was going to complain to the manager but didn't have the energy that day.
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    Are you sure that the manager spoke English.
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    I said 80%,and I'm 100% sure I'm wrong:cool: as it's probably lower.

    The difference between then and now I'm thinking is that immigrants back then all settled into their own neighborhoods while "mainstream" America remained apart and therefore English was maintained as America's language. Some of those ethnic neighborhoods still exist (Chinatown,Little Italy,etc) but many English-as-a-second-language people are obviously no longer "confined" to those neighborhoods so we've got a controversy on our hands.

    IMHO English remains our official language and while I'm all about adapting when necessary I think life would be a lot less frustrating if non-English speaking people did a bit more adapting too.
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    Just nit-picking here, and really just want to avoid a misreading (I don't think you meant this reading, but there's two possible readings of the bolded phrase)...

    Anyhoo: America doesn't have an official language, so we can't "maintain" English in that status. We would have to make a change to establish, not maintain, English as America's language. But if your point is that English can be "maintained" as an unofficial lingua franca, no pun intended, then I get what you're saying.

    Still waiting for a few more responses,

    PFnV
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    Why do you think one of the requirements for US citizenship is the ability to speak english? IMO, that makes english our official language.

    There has been much talk in congress about making english our official language and I can see it happening. Don't most countries have an "official language"? I'm sure 90% of Americans would support such a declaration.
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    By your argument, then, no further action is required vis a vis a "national language" push. I can support that, personally.

    But basically I just stumbled on some interesting historical data, so I figured I'd tease the conversation with the poll :)

    The answer has cool implications to fuel such discussions on more than one side. (cliffhanger!)

    PFnV
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    I actually had trouble sleeping last night wondering what the answer is!;)
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    LMAO okay I just spit out coffee reading that one
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    Looney Liberal Public School (obama school)
    Chinese, Spanish, Italian, Greek, German, Eskimo, seven little kids, they all run out to recess, la dee da twiddle dee dee, these little kids have all been told by the screwball "Obama Liberals" that they don't have to learn that bad old Right Wing Language (english)

    Now all you liberal whack jobs, tell me this, "How The F-ck Are These Kids Going To Talk To Each Other"---------:confused:
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    I always thought we DID have a 'national langage' but if we don't then I'll go with 'maintaining the unofficial national language' as that part of my reply.

    Soo......spill PF! Don't make me look it up :snob:
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    I'm still waiting for someone to call you the racist, Nazi, white supremist POS you are. :D

    This thread is a serious an insult to common sense. Hey, like someone in here once said, a person can buy a lot of books, but no one can buy common sense.
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    BTW, I clicked 100%, cuz this thread is 100% retahdid.
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    Okay, the wait is over.

    I stumbled on the info -- which by the way, a lot of people NAILED -- in this article:

    Yale salutes the father of the American dictionary - CNN.com

    Yep, it was 60%.

    No matter what you think this implies, this is just a great article on one of the crankier men of his time. It's also pretty interesting regarding the purposeful "dumbing down" of English, to make it easier for American kids to spell -- and more characteristically American. Early Phonics.

    That's why there's no "k" in "musick" or "u" in "color". But then I think it was Mark Twain who said he had no use for a man so unimaginative he knows only one way to spell a word.

    So read it, have a laugh, etc. There's something for everyone, as far as whether we should have a national language (and a couple of other subjects.) A couple surprises too.

    Happy Webster's Birthday.

    PFnV
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    My ultimate woman would be dark chocolate and a beautiful smile. go ahead and call me racist RW;) My biggest problem is I can't dance:mad:
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    and don't make me and No Doubt have to come down to VA to get you!:mad:
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    Pretty effn' funny PFiVA! That man is pretty creative and witty and I'm sure he gets some nice women...so I hate him!;)

    Thanks for the humor! Funny, I've loved black women as far back as I can remember yet there wasn't one black girl in my high school...go figure!
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    I love the chocolate. Dancing is easy btw. Dancing helps you meet a lot of horny women out on the flo'. ;)
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    "Webster wasn't shy about weaving in his opinions. In defining preposterous, he wrote, "a Republican government in the hands of females is preposterous."

    ......:eek:......

    Of course he also thinks people under 45 shouldn't vote lol. Thanks PF
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    I'm stereo-typing, but I will say that black women are the sexiest dancers on this earth...or, in the Real World!

    Dancing is easy? And you're white? Maybe you "think" you're a good dancer RW! Do you do the white-man over-bite dude?;)

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