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    The Human Rights Group of Cuba released copies of government files on Wednesday that illustrate the extent to which the Cuban government has gone to compile information on Cubans suspected of being threats simply for expressing controversial opinions.

    Two documents relating to anti-government protests, and a vegan rally, prove the government has been "spying" on Cubans, the Human Rights Group said.

    For example, more than two dozen government surveillance photographs show 22-year-old Frida Rojas of Havana, a strict vegetarian, and other vegans picketing against meat eating, in December 2003. They staged their protest outside a Havana food packing plant.

    An undercover Cuban agent was assigned to conduct surveillance of the protest and the protestors, and take the photographs. The agent arrested Rojas and another protester after he saw Rojas approach him and write down, on a piece of paper, the license plate number of his unmarked government car.

    http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=75151
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    Thank god we live in a place where that would never happen...
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    Most Far Left American Liberals LOVE Castro.
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    Actually, Boy, Castro has held power for over 45 years with the same government. I think that might classify him as a hard-core conservative. His sucessor, if he or she begins radical reforms and opens up the country will be seen as a radical liberal from a Cuban perspective.

    It's all how you look at it.
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    another ingorant post from the king of ignorance and bigotry
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    #37 Jersey

    And you have the audacity to call other people hypocrites?
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    First off, a Marxist Dictator cracking down on free speech! What your next revealing headline, Bill CLinton cheats on his wife? or How bout Ted Kennedy is a drunk, tell us something we don't already know.

    Castro's "Useful Idiots" (Lenin's term) include Warren Buffet, half of Hollywood and Jimmy Carter. Here's a few highlights, to save time I surmise, America=bad, Castro=good

    Here's some quotes:

    Viva Fidel! Viva Che! Castro is the most honest and courageous politician I've ever met." Jesse Jackson

    Meeting Fidel Castro were the eight most important hours of my life." Steven Spielberg.

    "Very selfless and moral. One of the world's wisest men." Oliver Stone

    "Cuba's Elvis." Dan Rather

    "A Dream come true." Supermodel Naomi Campbell

    "Socialism works. I think Cuba can prove that." Chevy Chase

    "Castro is an extraordinary man. He is warm and understanding and seems extremely humane." Gina Lollobrigida

    None of these latter day useful idiots, as Lenin would have called them, are either ignorant of, or willing to ignore the real nature of Fidel Castro, this "extremely humane" dictator who stands once again exposed as the American-hating, homicidal communist brute he is in a remarkable new book, "Fidel – Hollywood's Favorite Tyrant." (Regnery Publishing, 256 pgs.)

    More stories of Fidel's Useful Idiots:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/663041/posts

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14934

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2005/07/castros-useful-idiots.html

    http://www.regnery.com/regnery/030214_useful.html

    Harry's posts seems to ring quite true doesn't it?
  8. Patters

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    Lol

    I edited the article to claim it was Castro. Actually, it's Homeland Security in Georgia! Read the article. We agree, Bush is cracking down on free speech!

    :)
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    I love how paranoid and scared the reich has become. Oh no, big bad Castro. Then theres that threat Bin Laden, who Bush conveniently ignores..ooohhh nooo. Then theres big bad Hugo Chavez.

    Chickenhawks and chickenplops - thats your GOP.
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    #11 Jersey

    hmmm, I was wondering where exactly a vegan came from in Cuba.



    1. Exactly how did they "crack down on free speech". I didnt see any reference to how the Vegans didn't get their chance to promulgate their opinions. Care to explain how being watched in a public place is somehow eliminating your right to uhhh hang around in a public place?

    2. Exactly how is this "spying". As far as I could tell it referenced 3 or 4 agencies; the FBI, the local police departments and a homeland securtiy bureau. Last I heard all these agencies are charged with enforcing US laws.

    2a. Judging by most "PROGRESSIVE" demonstrations they tend to feature a whole bunch of people who like to violate the law by becoming violent. Can you name the last Anti-WTO rally that didnt involve masked thugs throwing rocks through windows? We just had a bunch of PETA & environmental nuts out west who were out burning down buildings and defacing SUVs - arent' those crimes worth paying attention to?

    2b. Law organizations have always kept loose tabs on organizations which can spawn an assasin type. How do you know someone from this group hasnt been writing threats to the president. That would be a legitimate reason to surveil them.

    2c. None of these organizations are "spy" organizations that are prohibited from watching americans. None of these guys are the CIA or the NSA or the DIA.

    3. Even if you actually believe this is crackdown on free speech; HOW EXACTLY DO YOU TRACE THIS TO BUSH, the FEDERAL GOVT, the PATRIOT ACT or any other change in federal govt since 2000????
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    Belefonte and a whole bunch of the Hollywood Dirt Bags run down there every once in while and kiss Castro on the lips, they are all "Liberals"

    I thought you "Neo Libs" were all kind a caring, you called me a bigot "waaaahhhhhh, mommy" :rocker:
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    Gumby, free speech is impeded by intimidation. Dictatorship uses intimidation first, and more radical measures (such as those used at Abu Ghraib and Gitmos) second. If I was a vegan, and was confronted by the FBI and Department of Homeland Security, it might make me think twice before standing up for what I believe. If you've ever been in a protest where you had a confrontation with police, you'd know how scary it is. Most people will not go to another protest if they feel they are being watched, photographed, questionned, or worse.

    The article said that it was local Dept. of Homeland Security and FBI that was involved, thus in that way I link it to the Bush administration, which is being overzealous in defending America, unless of course you think vegans are a real danger. Freedom is a precious thing, and it hangs in balance when indimidation is used to suppress it. If the authorities can demonstrate that these protesters represented a real danger, it's another matter, but it seems very unlikely.

    Remember, Gumby, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Bush is trying to secure unprecedented in the modern era powers for himself, and that's terribly dangerous. I may be a liberal who favors big government, but I believe it has to be very open and subject to the rule of law. What laws govern Bush, if he's free to make up the law as he goes along?
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    You should like Castro, he runs his country just like Bush is trying to run his.
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    uhhhh, read the article again. Far as I can tell the police were WATCHING FROM A DISTANCE AND INSIDE THEIR CAR.

    The Vegans then went up to them and CONFRONTED THE POLICE.

    Somehow I dont get the impression the vegans were exactly feeling intimidated.

    It sounds a lot more like; "gee nobody responded to our press releases to come here and cover our vegan protest. Lets instigate something with this police looking dude over here then we can get CNN and the NYT to write about how oppressed we are and our group will get mentioned."
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    Well, I read their were surveillance photos, an undercover detective, and someone was arrested for approaching the detective and writing down his license plate number. In a protest, it is the obligation of the the leaders to show courage, lest others become afraid. If the surveillance was known, and apparently it was, someone had to confront (peacefully, of course); otherwise, how else do you confront intimidation? Yeah, I have no particular interest in the vegan cause, but it's a good case study because why the F was the government taking an interest in it?
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    Liberals can never be allowed to run anything, they have no sense of discipline, it if feels good they want to do it regardless of who it hurts.

    Ronald Reagan brought Communism down, George W Bush will bring down Liberalism. (Nov 2006)

    "Mr Gorbachev, tear down that wall"

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